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Old 08-06-2020, 11:52 AM   #16
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TO BE CLEAR, I'm in agreement of all the communist statements posted above...
They are EVIL.

BUT... the irony is that the overconsumption culture of 'Merica is due to the accessible of cheap goods made from oversees. Read an article that over 90 percent of goods in your home is made in china.... Because they are cheap is why you have decorations for every holiday... have abundance of clothing that 80 percent get rarely worn... kids have bins and bins of toys...

Again, not trying to make it political or anything. You buy American guns with American parts, great.... but everything else in your house is likely Chinese. It is simply TOO expensive to buy EVERYTHING American.
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Old 08-06-2020, 12:18 PM   #17
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Buttons on the side doesn’t seem worthy of a patent. Shape maybe, glass shape and placement maybe, outer shape maybe. There’s a bunch of maybes, but really the red dot as a unit would be more likely to be patented than individual features that are replicated on a multitude of devices and red dots.
Agreed. +1 ^^^^But I believe Shield of UK actually designed and manufactured Trijicon's original RMR 01's?
So Trijicon really may be grasping at straws.

It seems more like a 'Pro America' flag waving marketing stunt on Trijicon's part than a serious Intellectual Property Rights infringement claim.
But I'm no attorney. Happily.
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Trijicon RMR: curved-top window, frame with 'owl ears', one button on either side
Holosun 407: square window, sure frame with no 'ears/horn', two buttons on one side

Trijicon SRO: elliptical window and frame, one button on either side
Holosun 507: curved-top window and frame, two buttons on one side, solar cells on top.




They're different.
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Trijicon RMR: curved-top window, frame with 'owl ears', one button on either side

Holosun 407: square window, sure frame with no 'ears/horn', two buttons on one side



Trijicon SRO: elliptical window and frame, one button on either side

Holosun 507: curved-top window and frame, two buttons on one side, solar cells on top.









They're different.


They should have arranged the buttons horizontally or just gone automatic. Iím surprised swampfox didnít get an invite to the party.
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They should have arranged the buttons horizontally or just gone automatic. Iím surprised swampfox didnít get an invite to the party.
Swampfox isn't as popular as Holosun.
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What looks more like the Trijicon SRO....


the Holosun 507c...




...or the Lucid Optics 'Lil Mo....?


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We all know that Trijicon is going after Holosun because Holosun is taking over their market. Otherwise, they'd ignore the smaller companies for being not worth their time.

We see this with "fair use" laws on the internet. Those "influencers" are ignored until they do something to poke the bears.
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We all know that Trijicon is going after Holosun because Holosun is taking over their market.
And this is what China specializes in, destroy a market with cheap labor products so no one can compete until they are the only ones left. Us stupid Americans fall for it over and over. At some point the only jobs left in America will be low paying service jobs, people just donít care about the future of this country or what will be left of it for our children.
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And this is what China specializes in, destroy a market with cheap labor products so no one can compete until they are the only ones left. Us stupid Americans fall for it over and over. At some point the only jobs left in America will be low paying service jobs, people just donít care about the future of this country or what will be left of it for our children.


We fall for it by not getting a competitive product to market? We are the worst.
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And this is what China specializes in, destroy a market with cheap labor products so no one can compete until they are the only ones left. Us stupid Americans fall for it over and over. At some point the only jobs left in America will be low paying service jobs, people just don’t care about the future of this country or what will be left of it for our children.
I'd say that was well under way before red dots, and not just with China. Trijicon wasn't going to stop it, and they probably knew it. I would say they should try to maintain a 'premium brand' identity as long as they can.
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We fall for it by not getting a competitive product to market? We are the worst.
Competition is great for the consumer, it forces companies to be innovative in both technology and cost. What I have a problem with is companies who donít have to play on a even playing field. Chinese companies steal technology so they have zero cost to incorporate into their costs, add to that practically free labor and no one can compete.

I get that people want cheap optics, it saves money for more ammo The question is where do we draw the line between saving a few dollars and selling out our fellow countryman and children? Everyone has to make that decision for themselves, I just hope people are making educated decisions.
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I'd say that was well under way before red dots, and not just with China. Trijicon wasn't going to stop it, and they probably knew it. I would say they should try to maintain a 'premium brand' identity as long as they can.
Iíd rather see Trijicon fight and loose than just sit back and take it.

And I agree that they should focus on being the best of the best. Realistically if someone needs a military grade optic Trijicon or Aimpoint is the go to at the moment and they should concentrate on keeping it that way.
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Competition is great for the consumer, it forces companies to be innovative in both technology and cost. What I have a problem with is companies who donít have to play on a even playing field. Chinese companies steal technology so they have zero cost to incorporate into their costs, add to that practically free labor and no one can compete.



I get that people want cheap optics, it saves money for more ammo The question is where do we draw the line between saving a few dollars and selling out our fellow countryman and children? Everyone has to make that decision for themselves, I just hope people are making educated decisions.


Show me the Trijicon that bolts to my 365XL and Iíll admit that I bought a Holosun to save money. Red dots arenít new technology, the idea has been around for a long time. I admit that China steals IP at an unacceptable rate. The US captured German submarines just to steal the German military IP. We captured German scientists and Japanese surgeons in order to steal their IP. Companies and countries win by being first and innovating to stay ahead. Itís a race and appealing to my patriotism is not helping get an American made micro RDS to market faster. If Trijicon had put their legal budget into designing an RDS for the compact market they could have 2-3 models in production. They could have added a snag free ultralight titanium model just for the curb appeal. The real question is why havenít they?
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I had a utility patent for a tool, (expired in 2003). Licensed it to another company and received 10% of gross sales - a fair sum. Took all of 45 minutes to come up with and make a prototype - whoopie! I tend to be frugal, but this was like money I didn't really work for, so with no guilt in spending it, I bought tools and airplanes!

Patent was infringed some 12 years in. By then we had the market well in hand, so licensee thought not worth the hassle of going after them in New York, (I let the licensee make that decision, as by our contract he had to pay 75% of costs to defend).

Bottom line, design patents are the weakest type, easier to get around. Utility patents are more solid. Good luck Trijicon. (BTW, I have sights from both and much prefer Holosun. Trijicon passes torture tests better, I try to not do those. Holosun has better features and price point.)
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And frankly, I doubt that Trijicon is doing this to save American jobs or such, or that they'd have any qualms about using overseas labor/manufacture to increase profits if they could actually maintain exclusivity. Heck, Aimpoint should be suing every tube-style red dot maker on the planet if that were the case. This is about them loosing ground to Holosun and trying what they can to combat it. This is about Trijiicon.
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