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Old 08-05-2020, 09:04 PM   #1
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Trijicon sues Holosun for Patent Infringement

Trijicon is suing Holosun for Patent Infringement:



"Trijicon RMR Patent

US Patent 8443541

Michigan-based Trijicon has sued HOLOSUN for infringement of a patent thatís the basis for Trijiconís popular RMR and SRO pistol red dot sights. As Bloomberg Quint reports . . .

Trijicon Inc. filed a patent complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission on July 29, saying that Holosun Technologies Inc., of Los Angeles County, is working with a manufacturer in China to sell ďred dotĒ sights that replicate features on which Trijicon has held a patent since 2013.

While patents and the suits surrounding them seem to be written in their own language, the alleged infringement seems to be concerned with the housing designs of Trijiconís popular Ruggedized Miniature Reflex (RMR) and Specialized Reflex Optic (SRO) sights covered by the patent in question, which can be found here.

Here are Trijiconís RMR and SRO sights:



Trijicon rmr sro red dot sights

Trijicon RMR (L) and SRO (R)

And here are two of the nine HOLOSUN sights that Trijicon claims infringe on their patent.

From the law suit:

Öthe Holosun red dot sights that infringe one or more claims of the Ď541 patent are identified as follows: HS407K, HS407C-V2, HE407C-GR V2, HS407CO V2, HS507K, HS507C V2, HE507C-GR V2, HE508T-RD V2 and HE508T-GR V2 (ďAccused ProductsĒ) on Holosunís website at www.holosun.com.

We talked to a representative of HOLOSUN who said the company has no comment on the suit. Weíve requested comment from Trijicon, but havenít received a response yet.

The lawsuit was filed in Michigan as well as in California, where HOLOSUN is based. The filing of a ďmirrorĒ suit puzzled the patent attorney we talked to who told us that, after a change in the law a few years ago, the suit must be filed in the state where the alleged infringer is located or is incorporated. The Michigan filing seemed, to him, superfluous.

These cases frequently take years to play out, so donít expect a resolution any time soon."



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Old 08-06-2020, 01:41 AM   #2
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Wouldn’t be the first time the Chinese stole from America and won’t be the last. Yet just another reason to buy American made products and not support communist owned businesses.
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This is the exact reason I avoid Chinese made products as best I can. They steal the technology and use child labor to build inferior products and we just eat it up because it’s cheap. Needless to say but I’ll never buy a HOLOSUN product, I’d rather pay a few dollars more and support a decent company.
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Unfortunately this news won't stop hordes of SIGTALK posters gleefully posting about their new holosun optics (and the accompanying contribution that makes to the Chinese Communists).
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Get Trijicon to make a micro. Otherwise itís American companies making things in China which isnít much of an improvement.

Also, factory jobs are a step up in developing areas. Enough of the sweatshop ****, itís not like these kids would be playing video games and eating ice cream if they werenít working. This is their way to build up and improve their families economic standing. Give them a chance to give their descendants what your ancestors gave you. Iíd love to get them all up to our levels overnight, but thatís not how economies develop.
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Not to excuse intellectual property theft by the Chinese...
But weren't the original Trijicon RMR's actually designed and manufactured by Shield UK??
Shield has been making mini red dots for almost two decades. I wonder what Trijicon is claiming is their own unique patented design?
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I have a feeling Trijicon just hosed themselves. Suing your competitors out of business when they are Chinese just really isn't a thing. You will give all your money to your lawyers, however.

It's funny to hear people talk about "buying American" on a website filled with folks who love German made pistols. I tend to buy American if I can find a company making what I want. Often I find that isn't the case. When I went to purchase a new vehicle, I found there wasn't an American company making a AWD electric vehicle with 300+ miles of range for less $60k. There were two foreign companies making them, however for less than $40k. When I went to buy a lightweight LED donut for my new lightweight AR, there were no American companies making them, period. So instead I bought a Holosun, because they actually made what I wanted.

Looking on Trijicon's website, they are now marketing something similar. It doesn't come in green, it's heavier, and it's twice as expensive.

I wish Trijicon luck, but I have a feeling they are just wasting money on lawyers that they should be spending on product development.
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China BAD
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It's funny to hear people talk about "buying American" on a website filled with folks who love German made pistols.
All of my Sigs are made in the USA. I have no problem supporting other countries though, as long as they arenít communist countries who murder their citizens and spread pandemics across the planet.
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Get Trijicon to make a micro. Otherwise itís American companies making things in China which isnít much of an improvement.

Also, factory jobs are a step up in developing areas. Enough of the sweatshop ****, itís not like these kids would be playing video games and eating ice cream if they werenít working. This is their way to build up and improve their families economic standing. Give them a chance to give their descendants what your ancestors gave you. Iíd love to get them all up to our levels overnight, but thatís not how economies develop.

This. I am patiently waiting for a micro cat-eared RMR to mount on my micro pistols. The Holosuns just don't do it for me.





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Not to excuse intellectual property theft by the Chinese...
But weren't the original Trijicon RMR's actually designed and manufactured by Shield UK??
Shield has been making mini red dots for almost two decades. I wonder what Trijicon is claiming is their own unique patented design?

The side buttons in this case. I'm not joking. They also own the patent for the "cat ears". This is why current makers can't replicate the technology at this time.

Sage Dynamics goes into this in one of his videos.
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Too little too late by Trijicon, IMO. Looks more like panic move after realizing that Holosun is actually making very good products at far below the cost of a Trijicon. Kind of reminds me when Gibson Guitar recently went after a whole bunch of other guitar makers, eceb for passing resemblances.

If Trijicon, EOtech, AImpoint etc. are going to price things they way they do because of their quality and domestic manufacture, etc., so be it. But it's a free market so don't pout over competitors and overseas manufacturers underpricing you. Personally, I've never looked at someone with a Trijicon or Aimpoint and felt that they've wasted their money if quality is of any concern or if they want a premium optic, just as I don't scoff at someone buying a Holosun or Vortex either if they want a solid and perfectly serviceable optic for less.

I mean, their pricing is pretty much a statement that they are of superior quality and engineering, No shame in that...it's just up to them to live up to it for consumers. And if they do, then bravo...you'll attract and maintain the kind of customers who appreciate it.

As for buying American, I just think there are many other areas of consumership that would make a much bigger difference.
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"Here are Trijicon’s RMR and SRO sights:



Trijicon rmr sro red dot sights
Trijicon RMR (L) and SRO (R)

And here are two of the nine HOLOSUN sights that Trijicon claims infringe on their patent.




From the law suit:

…the Holosun red dot sights that infringe one or more claims of the ‘541 patent are identified as follows: HS407K, HS407C-V2, HE407C-GR V2, HS407CO V2, HS507K, HS507C V2, HE507C-GR V2, HE508T-RD V2 and HE508T-GR V2 (“Accused Products”) on Holosun’s website at www.holosun.com."



....Iiiiiiiii dunno......I'd say that all one has to do is take a look at all the other non-Trijicon reflex-style red dots out there as well.
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I'm all for stopping the bold rip-offs of American Intellectual Property by foreign companies including (and especially) the Communist Chinese.
But the claim by Trijicon their 'buttons' on the side are unique and patented? Really??

Maybe there's something about Trijicon RMR's 'cat-ear' housing design, especially if you're going to drop your pistol/optic from shoulder height on concrete several times like Sage Dynamics LE/Mil duty service testing. Doesn't appear to me that Holosun has copied it? Does anyone else think so?
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I'm all for stopping the bold rip-offs of American Intellectual Property by foreign companies including (and especially) the Communist Chinese.
But the claim by Trijicon their 'buttons' on the side are unique and patented? Really??

Maybe there's something about Trijicon RMR's 'cat-ear' housing design, especially if you're going to drop your pistol/optic from shoulder height on concrete several times like Sage Dynamics LE/Mil duty service testing. Doesn't appear to me that Holosun has copied it? Does anyone else think so?


Buttons on the side doesnít seem worthy of a patent. Shape maybe, glass shape and placement maybe, outer shape maybe. Thereís a bunch of maybes, but really the red dot as a unit would be more likely to be patented than individual features that are replicated on a multitude of devices and red dots.
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