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Old 06-28-2020, 07:02 PM   #1
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New Member Woes - Swiss P210-5 trigger reset failure

New SIG talk member here.

Many-year SIG owner, even longer SIG admirer, but VERY recent (two weeks) legendary Swiss SIG P 210-5 Sport/target owner.

Spent over 2 months making layaway payments to the ATTIC for the beauty and once in my hands, the dry firing experience was the dream I had read so many nights about.

The first 3 mags at the range the day I picked it up from my FFL were flawless... then my trigger began to fail to reset. Thought perhaps it was just a fluke, so I cycled the slide and pulled a live 9mm round out of the chamber, moved on and pulled the trigger with the same satisfaction as before....

Didn't get through the mag before it did it again.... and again.

Each time the trigger didn't reset I confirmed the slide had cycled perfectly ejecting the spent casing and loading the chamber successfully.

Through study of the issue and VERY concerned experimentation, I found that just by pulling back the slide the little bit to check the chamber WITHOUT ejecting the live round and loading the next one, the trigger reset and I was able to fire!

Went back to the range again yesterday, sure enough it happened again.

While I'm a new P210-5 owner, I'm experienced enough with historic and high-value firearms to have (of course) stripped, cleaned, and lubricated the new handgun before shooting it, and again after shooting it before going to the range again yesterday. Not trying to be arrogant, just trying to save a little time for the person who would ask if I had is all.

I'm begging the experts in this forum for some help. I have read that this is a common issue ("Mushy trigger" and failure to reset) with the more modern German and American made P210s but all the times this is referenced, the commentary claims that if a Swiss-made older version had been purchased, it wouldn't happen.... yet here I am.

Please gents (and ladies) point me in the right direction so I can get this legend back to the reliability it deserves.

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Old 06-28-2020, 08:42 PM   #2
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i used to have the attic on speed-dial.

might be tomorrow before someone helps with your issue.

welcome from az.

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Did you purchase your P210 new? That barrel doesn't look original. Might there be some after market parts involved?
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Welcome from Texas.
Sorry but I know nothing about the P210s regardless of where they were made.
Some One on Sigtalk most likely will be along to help.
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Did you purchase your P210 new? That barrel doesn't look original. Might there be some after market parts involved?
No this model was used and although I can't exactly place the production year sequentially by serial number, it's a P58370.

the barrel is original 150mm sport or target barrel and serial numbered to the frame and slide which was why I was comfortable with this being called a Swiss made target model even though I can't find my serial number within any online swiss-made range of P-series P210s.

The lovely people at the Attic told me there would be a swiss cross underneath the rear sight but I don't want to screw up how spot on it is by taking it off and haven't had it long enough to be brave enough to try.

I'm reaching out to Zeleny through his LiveJournal site about P210s and hopefully there's a small tightening or adjustment needed to get the trigger to reset everytime the slide cycles after a round.

appreciate all the welcoming and support from everyone!
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Sorry to hear about your issues. This is a matter subject to a simple correction by a responsible importer. As I described here, you need parts that cannot be purchased in ordinary retail channels. CDS Ehrenreich sells very reasonably priced factory pieces. Harald Berty offers a complete trigger spring upgrade kit, as well as a hammer spring barrel nut that SIG Sauer ripped off in the P210A. Regrettably, neither of them wants to deal with foreign customers. You need a gunsmith based in Germany to make a local purchase on your behalf, without disclosing its final destination.

Please contact me for a discreet referral if Sportsmanís Loft declines to stand behind their product.
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Sorry to hear about your issues. This is a matter subject to a simple correction by a responsible importer. As I described here, you need parts that cannot be purchased in ordinary retail channels. CDS Ehrenreich sells very reasonably priced factory pieces. Harald Berty offers a complete trigger spring upgrade kit, as well as a hammer spring barrel nut that SIG Sauer ripped off in the P210A. Regrettably, neither of them wants to deal with foreign customers. You need a gunsmith based in Germany to make a local purchase on your behalf, without disclosing its final destination.



Please contact me for a discreet referral if Sportsmanís Loft declines to stand behind their product.
Thank you very much for this reply. I read what you linked to when I emailed you night before last.

I will call Sportsman's Loft today.

Couple questions:
After describing my observations and experience; what exactly do I tell them is dysfunctional based on consulting your wealth of knowledge?
The trigger spring correct?

After reading your post and looking at the trigger I cannot tell if this is a sport trigger or standard service trigger. Are you able to tell?

I still cannot find any "Swiss made" or similar markings on the pistol anywhere. Does any of your literature place the year and origin of a P 58370 SN ?

Is this a common issue with the older Swiss P210-5 models?

Most importantly, is there a chance for critical failure, break, and/or increase in wear and tear to any parts parts of the pistol (including the spring that seems to be faulty) by shooting it in this condition?
I'm headed to the mountains with my family for my fathers bday and this is coming with us to be shot (it's a surprise, he's not yet seen it). We will probably shoot 5 or 6 mags through it since there are other pistols to shoot and limited ammo.

Thank you guys for the great camaraderie and support.

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Couple questions:
After describing my observations and experience; what exactly do I tell them is dysfunctional based on consulting your wealth of knowledge?
The trigger spring correct?

After reading your post and looking at the trigger I cannot tell if this is a sport trigger or standard service trigger. Are you able to tell?

I still cannot find any "Swiss made" or similar markings on the pistol anywhere. Does any of your literature place the year and origin of a P 58370 SN ?

Is this a common issue with the older Swiss P210-5 models?

Most importantly, is there a chance for critical failure, break, and/or increase in wear and tear to any parts parts of the pistol (including the spring that seems to be faulty) by shooting it in this condition?
I'm headed to the mountains with my family for my fathers bday and this is coming with us to be shot (it's a surprise, he's not yet seen it). We will probably shoot 5 or 6 mags through it since there are other pistols to shoot and limited ammo.
Glad to be of assistance.

You have a beautiful pistol most likely delivered in the Sixties. Pinpointing the delivery date is impossible without access to factory records. Published data is collated here.

It is impossible to diagnose the issue remotely, but the smart money is on the loss of tension in the trigger spring, part #31, if not the binding of the trigger bar, part #26. You will need a special punch to drive out the trigger pin, part #30, and another one, to stake it back in place. All parts and tools that you need are included in the kit sold by Harald Berty in Germany.



Sport variants of the SIG P210 were fitted with light trigger springs. Some of them were delivered with trigger weight well under the 1,360g minimum mandated for Feldschiessen competitions. This state of tune is not drop safe, and significantly less durable than milspec configurations. Notably, trigger reset failure is not anticipated in the P49 armorerís manual. That said, such failures are very rare, and your pistol is most likely still safe to fire.
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