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Old 08-02-2017, 06:57 PM   #76
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If there was an issue with the drop test by the FBI, why hasn't there been any negligent discharges reported out in the civilian world. There is enough out there for that to happen.
This maybe false reporting or the FBI just wanted to keep the Glocks since they had the Glock 40's.
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:04 PM   #77
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The ICE solicitation, which Sig and the P320 won, featured the same exact drop test as the FBI.
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Old 08-03-2017, 05:47 AM   #78
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I think that same Blog has made numerous remarks regarding Sig and the Mil. contract. IMHO - seems to have a Glock slant.



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The below is from another source.

Apparently they discovered that it's not reliably drop safe?

Blog | GunMag Warehouse - Dallas PD Investigates Potential Concern with the Sig Sauer P320

Wrong. That is simply a rehash on what has already been debated on this forum and another one. In particular see Pat Franklin's post number 64 for the real story. A trainee is claiming that a P320 he/she dropped went off by itself and it is still under investigation. Keep in mind there are a lot of consequences with a trainee having a ND. Unless there is a video clearly showing this to be an AD discharge as the trainee states and the P320 is factory original I am VERY skeptical. It is first nature for one to try and grab/catch a falling pistol, especially for the inexperienced.

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I thought it was the FBI dropped the ball and Comey went off and away.
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Reality and facts matter.Full disclosure: Grayguns has developed patent-pending fire control parts for the P320, to enhance these actions for competition and elite users while maintaining full mechanical safety values. Some of this work was done in cooperation with SIG SAUER, and much independently.

I can state with assurance that I may be considered a SME on this platform.

I speak only for myself here:

We have dropped, thrown and banged on P320's for three years, working on our long-term and very in-depth R&D project. Some of our attempts well exceeded accepted specifications for such drop and jar tests. I include throwing a P320 against our shop wall in that category.

I've never experienced an instance in which an example with intact striker lock and reasonable sear and springing values would fire when dropped, much less a proper factory-spec gun.

I have quietly searched for and looked into online reports of any claimed malfunctions or safety issues, including drop-safety failures.

In three years, have yet to verify a single proven instance in which a proper, factory-spec P320 has fired when dropped.

Individual pistols and parts can break, of course. Were that to happen, SIG SAUER will correct it and revise any component which may benefit from it, as has already been the case with the extractor, for example. This is absolutely to be expected from the world's premier gunmaker.

But that's not the issue. Because there isn't one, in my informed opinion.

However, every bit of my 43 years of gunsmithing and design experience, and my special knowledge of this platform, have convinced me beyond any reasonable doubt that the P320 has no inherent flaw or fault whatsoever in it's safety systems or fire control mechanism.

I've read the memo, followed discussions, communicated with some of the personalities involved and chatted online with one of the authors of a recent blog on the DPD's decision.

I am here to tell you that there is nothing there to justify pulling the P320 from duty.

Nothing at all, as far as I am able to see. And believe me, I have skin in the game, and I am looking.

I fully expect this decision to be rescinded shortly once the light of day and sensibility are brought to bear. What SIG might due in response to the rumourmongering which passes as online journalism these days is not for me to speculate upon.

In fact, speculating about these things at all seems bad form. For my part, I can and will back my statements.

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Nothing being discussed here appears to be based in fact from what my informed sources tell us. I can't go into details, but I can comment on some of what's been "reported".

I've personally drop-tested a bunch of P320's in various conditions and in excess of ANSI/SAAMI protocol, and cannot get them to fail.

The so-called P320 drop test video referenced by many is an outright fraud intended to damage SIG SAUER and the P320, in my opinion. I can perhaps replicate what it portrays, only by removing a bunch of springs and the striker lock first. I defy the makers of that video to come forth and prove they can make a stock P320 fire like that in my presence, under controlled conditions. They can't.

In any event I predict this decision by someone in DPD will not pan out to be objectively reasonable or justifiable, and will be reversed.

-Bruce


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BREAKING: P320 Recall Issued By Dallas Police | Prohibited From Duty Till Repaired - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

The more I read this, the more it sounds like DPD got trolled.
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I'm seriously doubting that this is true. Has anyone contacted DPD's PIO office to confirm this? Until DPD confirms this it's just rumor and conjecture.


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I said earlier what Bruce said, the video is a hoax. DPD was "had". Let's hear from the person/persons who produced the video. They are a fraud. And I can't believe that this and other threads like this are continuing! People are so gullible. They believe anything on the net.
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Are there any differences between the Gen 1 and the Gen 2 drop safeties?
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Why is somebody with a single post and their location listed as "Israel" posting this video?

I have more than a little problem with a video that goes bang, muzzle flash, and then the trigger moves.

Somebody took some time and effort to attempt to trash the P320.
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Are there any differences between the Gen 1 and the Gen 2 drop safeties?
I am not aware of anything called gen 1 or gen 2. The safeties have remained unchanged. Sig does not list any differences in their parts list.
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People are so gullible. They believe anything on the net.
But I also read it on Facebook. Everything on Facebook is true.



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I've been arguing this on FB. One guy told me 2 Dallas PD officers stated the same in THIS forum. Yet I cannot find it. One blog made the statement. No other independent corroborating sources have been found. Matter of fact, Google it. It only comes up once... that blog only. It's FB click bait. The other posting was just a rehash. It will be shared, commented on, copied, and their page moves up the "popularity" list.

I called Sig CS. they know nothing about a "drop" problem, let alone working with Dallas PD to fix it.

It should be interesting when Sig's legal department goes after them for libel.
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Newington, NH (August 4, 2017) – In response to social media rumors questioning the safety of the P320 pistol, a variant of which was selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), SIG SAUER, Inc. has full confidence in the reliability, durability and safety of its striker-fired handgun platform. There have been zero (0) reported drop-related P320 incidents in the U.S. commercial market, with hundreds of thousands of guns delivered to date.

The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.

All SIG SAUER pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed. However, like any mechanical device, exposure to acute conditions (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on these safety mechanisms and cause them to not work as designed. This language is common to owner’s manuals of major handgun manufacturers.

As a result, individual attempts to perform drop tests outside of professionally controlled environments should not be attempted.

“SIG SAUER is committed to producing only the finest products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Safety and reliability have been and always will be paramount to the SIG SAUER brand.”

For more information on SIG SAUER, please visit us at sigsauer.com
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Once again we see "Federals Bungling Investigations". The new name for the acronym that is known as "Comey Town".
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