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This is a discussion on 320 fired in holster within the P250, P320, & P320 X-5 Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Pistols category; Originally Posted by saolegion All I'm wondering is essentially, would a 320 with a manual safety be capable of unintentional discharges caused by jarring, movement, ...


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Old 07-31-2020, 06:55 PM   #166
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All I'm wondering is essentially, would a 320 with a manual safety be capable of unintentional discharges caused by jarring, movement, or even vibration, as Sig mentioned in their letter?
I would think that if you (not you specifically, but anyone) believe the report listed in post #147 of this thread, the answer would be yes.

I would also think that Sig would have adjusted their parts to ensure that couldnít happen. Itís likely why Sig even says end users arenít supposed to mess with strikers, extractors and such.

From the sigsauer.com site (there arenít many parts not marked with that little A in a box):

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Old 07-31-2020, 06:57 PM   #167
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lol, it doesn't, but some people also still think the only gun a man can carry is a 1911, some beliefs are impossible to change.
Well, a hammer fired gun has two advantages:

1. A longer, heavier first DA trigger pull makes it harder to pull the trigger by accident, which is probably what happened in this case

2. If the hammer is exposed you can keep your thumb on it as you reholster and feel that it is not moving. If the trigger snags on something you will feel the hammer moving and you will be holding it down as well
So when you say “hammer fired gun” you really mean a DA/SA or DAO pistol.
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Old 07-31-2020, 07:31 PM   #168
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I would think that if you (not you specifically, but anyone) believe the report listed in post #147 of this thread, the answer would be yes.

I would also think that Sig would have adjusted their parts to ensure that couldnít happen. Itís likely why Sig even says end users arenít supposed to mess with strikers, extractors and such.

From the sigsauer.com site (there arenít many parts not marked with that little A in a box):

What do you make of the post (113) from the link below, that Claymore originally posted in reply 159 of this thread?
When I pick up my M18 I'll be examining the FCU to see if the sear is of the nipples or the dimple variety. It would seem that given the lack of an outright recall, and the fact that only ~20% of owners sent their guns in to Sig, that there are multiple versions floating around. I wouldn't expect the newer guns to be a risk, but the gun containing the parts in that thread was supposed to have been post upgrade. Yet it had old parts.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....oncerns/page12
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I can't post the letter, but it's shown on the Guns & Gadgets video, at 13:33. Look at the third paragraph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SBp...ature=emb_logo

Ok. I listened to the video and he and the letter seems to point to guns having the issue before the upgrade. Maybe that was part of the problem that they were trying to fix with their changes to the slide during the voluntary upgrade.

All of these guns seem to be made before 2018.


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They may have been made before 2018 but that is not spelled out in the video, or the lawsuit, apparently. And they are still happening to many LEOs, as recently as this past June. I would not understand why any agency would not either send their guns back to Sig at some point after 2017, or get the parts or FCUs from Sig to be installed by their own armorers. So I'm leaning toward the most recent incidents not involving pre-2018 or non-upgraded guns.

Something that could be contributing to this would be if Sig has designed and approved an ongoing list of parts in stages as opposed to all at once, and those parts are not ending up in guns in their entirety. With some having, for instance improved parts installed 2017-2018, and others parts designed and sent out after 2018 but not as a comprehensive package. If that's the case then the only way to correct this now would be for Sig to conduct a recall and get every gun back and re-equipped with the most recent FCUs. Or to send FCUs out to qualified gunsmiths and have them install them as owners bring their guns to them. Trading out entire FCUs would likely be the least expensive means of making every gun safe. IF in fact there is an issue.
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They may have been made before 2018 but that is not spelled out in the video, or the lawsuit, apparently. And they are still happening to many LEOs, as recently as this past June. I would not understand why any agency would not either send their guns back to Sig at some point after 2017, or get the parts or FCUs from Sig to be installed by their own armorers. So I'm leaning toward the most recent incidents not involving pre-2018 or non-upgraded guns.

Something that could be contributing to this would be if Sig has designed and approved an ongoing list of parts in stages as opposed to all at once, and those parts are not ending up in guns in their entirety. With some having, for instance improved parts installed 2017-2018, and others parts designed and sent out after 2018 but not as a comprehensive package. If that's the case then the only way to correct this now would be for Sig to conduct a recall and get every gun back and re-equipped with the most recent FCUs. Or to send FCUs out to qualified gunsmiths and have them install them as owners bring their guns to them. Trading out entire FCUs would likely be the least expensive means of making every gun safe. IF in fact there is an issue.

Can they trade out the FCU just that easy considering that thatís the serialized part?


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I have a Gen2 P320 with a 2lb trigger and I am not afraid.

Sure is a lot of nervous typing going on around here.



But I've only been shooting pistol since '82 so I'm new at this.

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I don't see why not, though I'm sure add'tl paperwork would be in order. If you send in a warranteed gun that's had a catastrophic failure (non-320), the maker might send you a different gun. Or if your FNX45 from was from the batch that came out soft and pliable they have been known to replace them with a new lower. So, why not?
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What do you make of the post (113) from the link below, that Claymore originally posted in reply 159 of this thread?
When I pick up my M18 I'll be examining the FCU to see if the sear is of the nipples or the dimple variety. It would seem that given the lack of an outright recall, and the fact that only ~20% of owners sent their guns in to Sig, that there are multiple versions floating around. I wouldn't expect the newer guns to be a risk, but the gun containing the parts in that thread was supposed to have been post upgrade. Yet it had old parts.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....oncerns/page12
That poster mentioned ďlooked like someone put together in a hurryĒ. No secret that many fancy themselves ďself-trainedĒ armorers (especially LEOs into guns, no offense to LEOs, just experience). Looks like something a person unfamiliar and inexperienced with full disassembly/reassembly might do.

My oldest P320 (X-Carry) was built in March 2019 and my two X-Compacts in April 2020. Consider none a risk, though I carry my P365s WAY more often!
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Yeah, not just LEOs, us regular citizens too will often do things perhaps best left to others. But this sort of reiterates my earlier point about Sig releasing iterative fixes that don't all end up in a particular gun, when they should. So any particular gun could have a mixture of old and new parts, potentially preventing it from being entirely safe. Whether we consider them to be or not.

Just out of curiousity, and because I still haven't been called to pick up my M18 (hopefully today), are you able to see the portion of the sear that has either dimples/cups or nipples to hold the dual springs in place, just by looking at the FCU closely?

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I have a Gen2 P320 with a 2lb trigger and I am not afraid.

Sure is a lot of nervous typing going on around here.

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But I've only been shooting pistol since '82 so I'm new at this.
Has nothing to do with nerves. If you've been shooting pistol since '82 you should realize that if an unsafe gun causes misery only once, it's too often.

I've been carrying since '82 and shooting longer than that. I don't profess to know it all, or to speak for others. But I think I can safely say the people here who are trying to get to the bottom of this are only after answers, likely because they don't know it all either. And unless you work for Sig, and specifically on the 320 platform, you don't know it all either. Your snarky attitude is serving only yourself.
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This came out this week. I am the owner of a sig P320 RX compact, this is getting kind of discerning https://www.fox6now.com/news/gun-und...nts-gun-flawed
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This came out this week. I am the owner of a sig P320 RX compact, this is getting kind of discerning https://www.fox6now.com/news/gun-und...nts-gun-flawed
I think you mean disconcerting.

I don't think much of the whole cop ND thing. The reason being if a civilian has a ND, they can admit fault, and generally move on with their life. It's different for LEOs. If they have a ND, there is generally an effort to blame the weapon, since admitting fault means a lack of skills or attention, neither of which bodes well for an armed professional.
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320 fired in holster...because... finger was on trigger.
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I think you mean disconcerting.

I don't think much of the whole cop ND thing. The reason being if a civilian has a ND, they can admit fault, and generally move on with their life. It's different for LEOs. If they have a ND, there is generally an effort to blame the weapon, since admitting fault means a lack of skills or attention, neither of which bodes well for an armed professional.
Yes, disconcerting
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