This is a discussion on 320 fired in holster within the P250, P320, & P320 X-5 Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Pistols category; I don't have all the details, but I got word that a cop was swapping out his 320 for his duty weapon when it went ...
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|11-15-2019, 02:01 PM||#1|
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320 fired in holster
I don't have all the details, but I got word that a cop was swapping out his 320 for his duty weapon when it went off in his holster. What I know is that he was trying to put the gun, still in his civilian holster, into an armory box when the gun fired. I believe he was removing it from his waistband. The casing was still in the chamber upon inspection. The gun was post-fix, as well.
I am trying to work out any way of this happening, and I can't figure out how that is even possible, I just know that the agency in question had their armorer inspect it and they now banned their officers from carrying the 320 because they believe it is unsafe.
Thoughts? I am not trying to fear-monger or anything, I am still carrying mine, but this is really weird.
|11-15-2019, 02:10 PM||#2|
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That's tough to figure without being able to question the officer re. all the details of when and how. The most likely scenario is the trigger was pulled or pushed to the rear, and the slide was blocked from recoiling so the spent case was still chambered. Without more info, that'll remain a mystery and head on over the speculation file.
The more unlikely scenario would be some sort of mechanical malfunction, as absent a trigger pull, there would be no reason for it to fail and fire there and then.
Disclaimer: I don't like strikers. Hammers only for me, you can trust 'em to do the right thing and not be sneaky about it.
|11-15-2019, 02:23 PM||#3|
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I say this as a retired LEO with 27 1/2 years of experience.
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|11-15-2019, 02:33 PM||#4|
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No joke, I can't get my head around how it is possible. They have cameras in the armory, cartridge still in chamber. If lying is happening, then lots of people are involved.
I am hoping someone with actual functional knowledge of the action can explain WHY it is physically impossible. Just because I don't think it is possible doesn't mean I'm right.
|11-15-2019, 02:36 PM||#5|
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Depending on the holster he was using, if it was a Safariland (and he has a light on it) those DO have enough room for some "smaller handed" folks to fit a finger in and accidentally hit the trigger.
Personally my fingers are large enough that isnt possible but it has something to do with the extra space needed for the light.
It would also explain why the casing wasnt ejected. If it was held into the holster with an SLS type system, that would prevent the slide from moving....thus capturing the case.
However from your post and the limited information....everything I just said is speculation.
|11-15-2019, 04:19 PM||#7|
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Something was inside the trigger guard. It would be interesting to know the make of the "civilian" holster. Cops are notoriously cheap on firearms and their acoutrements, such as holsters - esp. if they are not shooters and only have the "issue" guns.
I was present when a left-handed GS-13 pilot had a $10 nylon generic WalMart holster with the retention strap for his issued Colt S70 1911 .45 at qualification. He did not want to send it in to the FTU in Ft. Benning to have an ambi safety fitted, so he was holstering the rosco with no manual safety applied. He loaded and holstered during a qual. stage, got the strap tangled inside the holster, and shot himself with a 185-gr. STHP. Bullet grazed along the o/s of his leg and punched a neat divot in his heel. Issued 1911s and personal SA autos went away by HQ edict shortly thereafter...
|11-15-2019, 05:27 PM||#10|
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It really doesn't take much movement in the trigger of the P320 to disengage the striker safety, but this stinks like another CYA. Something had to have pressed the trigger, and without a trigger safety lever like on a Glock trigger, all it needs is enough pressure on the edge of the trigger to move it. I can do this on my M17.
Suppose he had a soft leather holster that flexed and put pressure on the edge of the trigger when holstering it. It would also have enough friction for the slide to prevent a proper cycle. Of course it's all conjecture without evidence, but I seriously doubt it was due to mechanical failure.
|11-15-2019, 06:00 PM||#11|
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|11-15-2019, 07:07 PM||#12|
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|11-15-2019, 08:39 PM||#14|
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Nice, another cop who had a Sig fire for no reason what so ever while it was holstered. I’m sure nothing pressed the trigger and the officer in question had no role what so ever in the discharging of this p320. :end sarcasm
Much like the last story from the cop in the school, I have no reason to believe the initial report. People lie when they can get in trouble, cops are no exception.
The round still being in the chamber means nothing about the discharge. It only means the round failed to eject after it fired.
|11-16-2019, 03:24 AM||#15|
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