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Old 07-13-2020, 08:25 AM   #1
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Let's discuss the P320 Sub-Compact

As I am sure you all know the Sub-Compact is discontinued. Old News, I know. Discontinuing the Sub-Compact seemed like a really strange move to me, on Sig's part. The only real part Sig is no longer making is the Sub-Compact grip module. Every other part of the gun is still in production in one way or another.
I honestly think Sig thought the Sub-Compact would cut into P365 sales, therefore they eliminated the it. I believe, at very least, Sig should still offer the choice, even if it only through an X-Change kit or the purchase of a grip module and 12 round magazines.
It seems odd to me, that in this day and age, it is general knowledge that the grip is the hardest part to conceal. Yet, we now find ourselves in the middle of a "trend" where it is common to to have a compact slide on a full size grip or sub-compact slide on a compact grip.
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I mean there is still a market for this size firearm or Glock, Springfield, Walther and H&K would have discontinued the G26, XD 3" Sub-Compact, VP9sk and PPQ Sub-Compact. S&W would have never reintroduced the M&P9c as the M&P M2.0 sub-compact if there was no market. It just seems weird that Sig would remove them selves from this segment of the market completely over the cost of grip module and the fear that it might siphon of the sales of a gun in a different category.
If it was due to slow sales well maybe Sig should not have originally shipped the gun with a "small" grip module and made the medium so hard to get. I have medium hands with fingers on the shorter side and I still felt the small grip module was too thin. It took me a rather long time to find a medium grip module and it should have never been that hard.
Economically speaking what is Sig really saving, money wise, by not offering this option anymore?
What are your thoughts?
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Old 07-13-2020, 08:40 AM   #2
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I have a subcompact grip module and also have 2x p365xl and after thinking about it for quite some time I decided to ditch the subcompact and add the X compact grip and have 17 15 and 12 round grips instead of 2x 12 and no 15

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I think the P365 fills the subcompact role very nicely, as does the P365 XL. Can’t really get more subcompact than those.

Added: Never had trouble concealing X-Compacts either.
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Yeah ... I've kinda had similar thoughts since I love my 320SC but don't really care for the 365 at all. I've looked at and handled all the 365 models at my LGS but it always comes off as too small for my hands ... it just doesn't work for me.

My SC came with the small grip and it too was kinda too small and hard for me to get a good grip on. I rebuilt it on the med/rail frame and it has become one of my favorite guns. I added the Sig FO/night site, APEX trigger, TALON grip and Obsidian Arms pinky rest base pads. I also had the little CT-206 laser that wasn't being used and it fit perfect on the SC.

Like you I see so many other small frame 9mms out there and think, "hmmm ... looks like 320 subbie....
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I have a 9mm sub compact and a compact. I gave some thought to getting rid of the sub. Don't carry it and wife doesn't either.
The second thought I had is if I need to I can change this gun to something else if I need to like a 40 or 357 sig. in a larger format. So I am keeping it.
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Love my subcompact and the ability to dress for the occasion.

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Yeah ... I've kinda had similar thoughts since I love my 320SC but don't really care for the 365 at all. I've looked at and handled all the 365 models at my LGS but it always comes off as too small for my hands ... it just doesn't work for me.

My SC came with the small grip and it too was kinda too small and hard for me to get a good grip on. I rebuilt it on the med/rail frame and it has become one of my favorite guns. I added the Sig FO/night site, APEX trigger, TALON grip and Obsidian Arms pinky rest base pads. I also had the little CT-206 laser that wasn't being used and it fit perfectly on the SC.

Like you, I see so many other small frame 9mms out there and think, "hmmm ... looks like 320 subbie....
I agree with everything you said 110%. I can't stand the small grip on these tiny guns. I had to put a Hogue Handall grip on my LCP, my Kahr PM40 is layered with talon grips 1st then a Universal Handall modified for the gun. I have moved away from all these tiny grip guns as they are hard to get a good purchase on and control is everything.
Below is my primary EDC P320sc with Siglite sights, Obsidian Arms base plates in a Tolster Holster with a Tulster mag carrier.
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I bought a subcompact only so I could swap out the grip module for the X-Compact grip. Never really liked the regular P320 grips (in any size)and donít care at all for the P365 (in any size). I donít know why tiny guns are a thing now.
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I bought a subcompact only so I could swap out the grip module for the X-Compact grip. Never really liked the regular P320 grips (in any size)and don’t care at all for the P365 (in any size). I don’t know why tiny guns are a thing now.
I think part of it is people want to carry but they don't want to be inconvenienced by carrying. I think they want the smallest lightest weight gun they can get regardless of how it shoots. Not like the vast majority are gonna put more than 50 rounds through it once or twice a year anyways. I have a friend that is a perfect example. He bought an M&P Shield, about two years ago and took it to the range once, cleaned it reloaded it with self-defense ammo, put it in its holster, and there it stays.
I also think that the reason people don't shoot more is they experience how uncomfortable it is to shoot their 15oz-18oz tiny 9mm and get turned off to actually going to the range. I regularly shoot my LCP & PM40, for proficiency's sake, but I will never say they are fun to shoot. They do however have a valid place in my rotation.
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The death of the P320SC came with the release of the P365. This is not a coincidence. As was stated, Sig still makes every part except the grip. Just keep bugging Wilson to make an SC module.
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Love my subcompact and the ability to dress for the occasion.

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This is it, MODULARITY. Itís what Sig envisioned all along. Common FCU with grip module and caliber options. 45 of course is a different breed. No wonder itís the most popular and best selling pistol.
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The death of the P320SC coincided with the release of the P365. This is not a coincidence. As was stated, Sig still makes every part except the grip. Just keep bugging Wilson to make an SC module.
This is exactly my point. I think Sig is shooting themselves in the foot. Discontinuing the Sub-Compact, because you want everyone to buy a P365 is not the proper solution. I will not buy a P365, instead, I will go to a competitor and buy an M&P M2.0 Sub-Compact, G26, VP9SK, XD 3" Sub-Compact or PPQ Sub-Compact
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I think part of it is people want to carry but they don't want to be inconvenienced by carrying. I think they want the smallest lightest weight gun they can get regardless of how it shoots. Not like the vast majority are gonna put more than 50 rounds through it once or twice a year anyways. I have a friend that is a perfect example. He bought an M&P Shield, about two years ago and took it to the range once, cleaned it reloaded it with self-defense ammo, put it in its holster, and there it stays.
I also think that the reason people don't shoot more is they experience how uncomfortable it is to shoot their 15oz-18oz tiny 9mm and get turned off to actually going to the range. I regularly shoot my LCP & PM40, for proficiency's sake, but I will never say they are fun to shoot. They do however have a valid place in my rotation.
Thatís surprising to me. I love shooting my P365s and P365XL. Iíve fired well over 3000 rounds between them. 600+ on the XL just since March. Exceptionally accurate guns, all of them. Guess Iím the odd man out.
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My 9mm P320sc was the first pistol I bought after getting my concealed carry permit in Washington. I got it with both 12 and 15 round mags and the gizmo that goes on the 15 round mags. I carried it for a while, but then got my SP2022 and liked it better. I still have the 320 but haven't shot it in ages.
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Thatís surprising to me. I love shooting my P365s and P365XL. Iíve fired well over 3000 rounds between them. 600+ on the XL just since March. Exceptionally accurate guns, all of them. Guess Iím the odd man out.
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the P365 is a bad gun, by any means. It simply does not fit my hand well. Like a Glock, the P320 small grip, any Micro Gun with really slim grips or a 1911 with slim grips. Not every gun fits everyone's hands. Proper fit is essential to proper control.
If you are referring to recoil I will also agree, the P365 is not as "punishing" to shoot when compared to something like my 15.8oz. PM40, but is much more so than a 27oz gun. Remember some people are way more recoil sensitive than others. Some of that, no doubt, is down to 1st-time shooters buying the too small of a gun before mastering the fundamentals. Other times some people are just weaker than others and can not control a heavier recoiling gun.
Remember just cause you can shoot it doesn't mean everyone else can.
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