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Old 06-28-2020, 10:18 AM   #1
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Wink Great P365 XL OWB Retention Paddle Holster

I have not gotten to the IWB holster yet, which I am having trouble imagining with an optic.

I found this holster on Amazon. Based on the images, it looked like it would accommodate the optics.

Got it yesterday and have now gotten to show what it is and how it looks. Great paddle holster, secure retention, and optics easily clear all surfaces all the way around. And it is less than 23 bucks!










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I gotta say it.
Looks like a diamond in a goats a**
But just my opinion lol
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That looks pretty secure, but the retention system seems to be the same as used on the Blackhawk Serpa series, which has been banned at all the ranges I know of. Here's the government's reasoning.

One of the problems lies in the fact that you have to apply pressure with your trigger finger, and evidently some folks keep that pressure on through the drawstroke and the finger ends up on the trigger.

Having said this, the Blackhawk was the first aftermarket range holster I purchased for my P226 and I never had anything close to an issue with it.

YMMV...
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Having said this, the Blackhawk was the first aftermarket range holster I purchased for my P226 and I never had anything close to an issue with it.

YMMV...
Unless I missed it, I did a search for the Serpa as that is also my #1 OWB. Did not find something specifically for the 365. Have it for my (sorry) S&W MP's.

I guess I'll get ready for someone to show me the goods.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:18 AM   #5
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For another 40 bucks you can get this...

https://urbancarryholsters.com/order...b-holster.html

I have one for a 226 and the wife has one for her 365.
The only reason I recommend these so highly is the locking system. Its ingenious in my opinion. The system actually grabs the trigger guard and doesnt just rely on pressure fit. Im sure everyone herethat carries everyday has had their gun fall out of such a holster. When my wife got hers i stuck the pistol in and tightened the hell out of it just to see and she would have pulled her belt loops off before the gun would come out. I am not exaggerating. Pretty impressive and very safe. 59.00 dollars for the 226 or the 365. Value, Function, Safety and Quality nicely merged Im thinkin.
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For another 40 bucks you can get this...

https://urbancarryholsters.com/order...b-holster.html

I have one for a 226 and the wife has one for her 365.
The only reason I recommend these so highly is the locking system. Its ingenious in my opinion. The system actually grabs the trigger guard and doesnt just rely on pressure fit. Im sure everyone herethat carries everyday has had their gun fall out of such a holster. When my wife got hers i stuck the pistol in and tightened the hell out of it just to see and she would have pulled her belt loops off before the gun would come out. I am not exaggerating. Pretty impressive and very safe. 59.00 dollars for the 226 or the 365. Value, Function, Safety and Quality nicely merged Im thinkin.
See. That's the value of this forum. I only know (or knew) what I know from first hand experience. I do like the belt threw the holster which makes it (the holster) feel very secure. And leather!

Kind of got stuck on Serpa after a couple of defensive pistol class.
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finger ends up on the trigger.
That has been the number one criticism of the Serpa and Serpa like holsters that have that retention lever.
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Using your trigger finger to both release the gun from the holster, and also to press the trigger when you may be in the fight for your life, is an extremely bad idea. Your trigger finger should have one job, and one job only, when composing your master grip - be physically out of the trigger guard up until you've made the decision to shoot.

With regard to the draw, it is much much too hard to not curl your trigger finger down and in (same motion to release the gun) when drawing. This can (and does) lead to what some refer to as "negative outcomes" (loud unexpected bang.)

Here's a quote from an instructor friend of mine on this:

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Try this....

Unload and double/triple check clear yours or another shooters pistol who carries a SERPA.

Start out holstered in the SERPA with a firm grip on the pistol with the shooting hand and with the trigger finger flexed/curled.

Press the SERPA release while drawing the pistol with the flexed trigger finger.

Check where the trigger finger lands once the trigger guard is clear of the holster.

I have done this demo dozens of times with many different officers I work with who insist on wearing a SERPA. All of their trigger fingers go straight into the trigger guard on or near the trigger.

The typical SERPA defense statement is something to the effect of "If you keep your trigger finger straight like you are supposed to, it wont go anywhere near the trigger". If the normal human startle reflex under stress is to clench-up, it seems it is very difficult, if not impossible to guarantee that every shooter you come across or train will be able to keep their trigger finger straight while depressing the SERPA release button during their draw-stroke under stress whether real (getting shot at), or artificial (a shot timer).

I firmly believe that the design and placement of the SERPA release mechanism can and has directly contributed to people shooting themselves during the draw-stroke of a loaded pistol.

END QUOTE




I'll need to go look, but I can probably come up with a fairly lengthy list of local, regional, and national instructors who do not allow Serpa holsters in their classes, for the reasons above.

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I love this place for that exact reason. You can get lots of info and do alot of research. In the old days it was just trial & error and word of mouth. Can at least go into it now with an informed mindset and hopefully have a smaller drawer for bad holsters. More than one holster and many belts have been turned into vise liners. I myself have had many of my opinions changed by proven facts from folks here who actually did the legwork in real time. Its awesome.
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Using your trigger finger to both release the gun from the holster, and also to press the trigger when you may be in the fight for your life, is an extremely bad idea. Your trigger finger should have one job, and one job only, when composing your master grip - be physically out of the trigger guard up until you've made the decision to shoot.

With regard to the draw, it is much much too hard to not curl your trigger finger down and in (same motion to release the gun) when drawing. This can (and does) lead to what some refer to as "negative outcomes" (loud unexpected bang.)

Here's a quote from an instructor friend of mine on this:

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Try this....

Unload and double/triple check clear yours or another shooters pistol who carries a SERPA.

Start out holstered in the SERPA with a firm grip on the pistol with the shooting hand and with the trigger finger flexed/curled.

Press the SERPA release while drawing the pistol with the flexed trigger finger.

Check where the trigger finger lands once the trigger guard is clear of the holster.

I have done this demo dozens of times with many different officers I work with who insist on wearing a SERPA. All of their trigger fingers go straight into the trigger guard on or near the trigger.

The typical SERPA defense statement is something to the effect of "If you keep your trigger finger straight like you are supposed to, it wont go anywhere near the trigger". If the normal human startle reflex under stress is to clench-up, it seems it is very difficult, if not impossible to guarantee that every shooter you come across or train will be able to keep their trigger finger straight while depressing the SERPA release button during their draw-stroke under stress whether real (getting shot at), or artificial (a shot timer).

I firmly believe that the design and placement of the SERPA release mechanism can and has directly contributed to people shooting themselves during the draw-stroke of a loaded pistol.

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I'll need to go look, but I can probably come up with a fairly lengthy list of local, regional, and national instructors who do not allow Serpa holsters in their classes, for the reasons above.
Perfectly Stated.
My goals for an EDC self defense pistol was:
A. No safety, no laser, nothing that will introduce an extra step dependent on the human condition.
B. Same theory with holster, no extra step that requires a thought process or so much training to build muscle memory which may or may not succeed when the chips are down and the adrenaline is flowing.
C. MY FINGER IS MY SAFETY, MY FINGER IS MY SAFETY. I can control one finger much better than having additional steps in my play.

So now its just draw n shoot. Introduce stress, adrenaline and what if you might have taken a round already. I always win in my brain movie but ask anyone whos been there, its not reality. Ive been shot twice and neither time went anything like anything I ever imagined in my brain movie so I have since adjusted that approach. Once you have taken a round everything changes. your lucky if you can even drool much less get in all these fancy stances and grip techniques into play. In those situations I would rather have an ounce of luck than a pound of skill. I will leave you with this to think about... Everyone knows we have two instincts. Fight or Flight. Im here to tell you of the 3rd F in the game... FREEZE
So its Fight Flight or Freeze in reality. I have been frozen I admit but when you see your own juice leaking its REAL then. Adjust your brain movies!!!
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For another 40 bucks you can get this...

https://urbancarryholsters.com/order...b-holster.html

I have one for a 226 and the wife has one for her 365.
The only reason I recommend these so highly is the locking system. Its ingenious in my opinion. The system actually grabs the trigger guard and doesnt just rely on pressure fit. Im sure everyone herethat carries everyday has had their gun fall out of such a holster. When my wife got hers i stuck the pistol in and tightened the hell out of it just to see and she would have pulled her belt loops off before the gun would come out. I am not exaggerating. Pretty impressive and very safe. 59.00 dollars for the 226 or the 365. Value, Function, Safety and Quality nicely merged Im thinkin.
That looks interesting. Thanks for the tip!
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My goals for an EDC self defense pistol was:
A. No safety, no laser, nothing that will introduce an extra step dependent on the human condition.
B. Same theory with holster, no extra step that requires a thought process or so much training to build muscle memory which may or may not succeed when the chips are down and the adrenaline is flowing.
C. MY FINGER IS MY SAFETY, MY FINGER IS MY SAFETY. I can control one finger much better than having additional steps in my play.
Well put and duly noted.
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For another 40 bucks you can get this...

https://urbancarryholsters.com/order...b-holster.html

I have one for a 226 and the wife has one for her 365.
The only reason I recommend these so highly is the locking system. Its ingenious in my opinion. The system actually grabs the trigger guard and doesnt just rely on pressure fit. Im sure everyone herethat carries everyday has had their gun fall out of such a holster. When my wife got hers i stuck the pistol in and tightened the hell out of it just to see and she would have pulled her belt loops off before the gun would come out. I am not exaggerating. Pretty impressive and very safe. 59.00 dollars for the 226 or the 365. Value, Function, Safety and Quality nicely merged Im thinkin.
That’s nice, wish they made one to fit with a red dot.....search continues
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Using your trigger finger to both release the gun from the holster, and also to press the trigger when you may be in the fight for your life, is an extremely bad idea. Your trigger finger should have one job, and one job only, when composing your master grip - be physically out of the trigger guard up until you've made the decision to shoot.

With regard to the draw, it is much much too hard to not curl your trigger finger down and in (same motion to release the gun) when drawing. This can (and does) lead to what some refer to as "negative outcomes" (loud unexpected bang.)

Here's a quote from an instructor friend of mine on this:

QUOTE

Try this....

Unload and double/triple check clear yours or another shooters pistol who carries a SERPA.

Start out holstered in the SERPA with a firm grip on the pistol with the shooting hand and with the trigger finger flexed/curled.

Press the SERPA release while drawing the pistol with the flexed trigger finger.

Check where the trigger finger lands once the trigger guard is clear of the holster.

I have done this demo dozens of times with many different officers I work with who insist on wearing a SERPA. All of their trigger fingers go straight into the trigger guard on or near the trigger.

The typical SERPA defense statement is something to the effect of "If you keep your trigger finger straight like you are supposed to, it wont go anywhere near the trigger". If the normal human startle reflex under stress is to clench-up, it seems it is very difficult, if not impossible to guarantee that every shooter you come across or train will be able to keep their trigger finger straight while depressing the SERPA release button during their draw-stroke under stress whether real (getting shot at), or artificial (a shot timer).

I firmly believe that the design and placement of the SERPA release mechanism can and has directly contributed to people shooting themselves during the draw-stroke of a loaded pistol.

END QUOTE




I'll need to go look, but I can probably come up with a fairly lengthy list of local, regional, and national instructors who do not allow Serpa holsters in their classes, for the reasons above.
Maybe that's why I've never had an issue with my Serpa holster... when I use my finger to release, it's not curled. It's flat just as if I had it on the side of the slide, and my finger slides over and off the release.
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