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Old 07-31-2020, 02:38 PM   #1
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P365XL RDS Options

Here’s my best summary of micro RDS that will bolt directly to the P365XL. Anything I’ve missed?

RomeoZero ($200):
Pro: fits, low price for adjustable brightness RDS, rear sight notch for backup sights, multiple MOA size options
Con: bottom battery, scratched lens, poor brightness control, plastic body, lower reliability
Availability: Some models are in stock.

RMSc ($400):
Pro: established name, better brightness controls, rear sight notch, aluminum body, multiple MOA size options, can be ordered with glass lens for substantial up-charge
Con: sold out, bottom battery, scratched lens, always on, lower reliability
Availability: Possible to find with limited searching

JPoint ($280):
Pro: available, rear sight notch
Con: plastic body, plastic lens, bottom battery, lower quality
Availability: Possible to find with limited searching

SwampFox Sentinel ($300):
Pro: aluminum body, glass lens, auto brightness, or good manual brightness buttons, limited waterproof
Con: no rear sight, bottom mount battery, limited product history
Availability: Not quite unobtanium. Lots of searching can lead to finding small stores with some stock on hand at the 280/300 price point.

Holosun 4/507k ($200/300):
Pro: aluminum body, glass lens, good manual brightness buttons, battery tray, waterproof (IP67), integrated rear sight, multiple MOA size or crosshair options.
Con: limited product history, initial reviews are positive with some complaints of bad battery or slight distortion.
Availability: Not quite unobtanium, but expect to pay 10-40% more for immediate purchase. Lots of searching can lead to finding small stores with some stock on hand at the 290 price point.

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Old 07-31-2020, 03:13 PM   #2
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A couple of observations... If you're going to use "sold out" as a CON, then you need to use "very limited availability" as a CON because they essentially mean the same thing.

And how did you arrive at the RMSc having "lower reliability"?

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*RMSC* brought to you by the same people who gave us the Sterling

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A couple of observations... If you're going to use "sold out" as a CON, then you need to use "very limited availability" as a CON because they essentially mean the same thing.

And how did you arrive at the RMSc having "lower reliability"?

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Sorry, was typing it up on a phone so I can go back to the list and update those. Sold out means if I go to buy one today, I'm going on a wait-list. Limited availability means it's possible to find it now and then.

RMSc data was from reviews I've read while looking for where to spend my money.
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RMSc can be ordered with a glass lens.
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RMSc can be ordered with a glass lens.


Same price?
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Same price?
No, huge up-charge.
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A couple of observations... If you're going to use "sold out" as a CON, then you need to use "very limited availability" as a CON because they essentially mean the same thing.

And how did you arrive at the RMSc having "lower reliability"?

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I'm guessing he's referencing the not so stellar RMS review from Sage Dynamics after it failed their torture test.
There's also a post on this site from a competition user who had significant lens damage caused by just normal cycling of the slide.
And others still reporting scratching to the lens after Shield supposedly addressed the lens durability issue with a new coating.
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Here’s my best summary of what’s available. Anything I’ve missed?

RomeoZero ($200):
Pro: fits, low price for adjustable brightness RDS, rear sight notch for backup sights, multiple MOA size options
Con: bottom battery, scratched lens, poor brightness control, plastic body, lower reliability
Availability: Some models are in stock.

RMSc ($400):
Pro: established name, better brightness controls, rear sight notch, aluminum body, multiple MOA size options
Con: sold out, bottom battery, scratched lens, always on, lower reliability
Availability: Possible to find with limited searching

JPoint ($280):
Pro: available, rear sight notch
Con: plastic body, plastic lens, bottom battery, lower quality
Availability: Possible to find with limited searching

SwampFox Sentinel ($300):
Pro: aluminum body, glass lens, auto brightness, or good manual brightness buttons, limited waterproof
Con: no rear sight, bottom mount battery, limited product history
Availability: Not quite unobtanium

Holosun 4/507k ($200/300):
Pro: aluminum body, glass lens, good manual brightness buttons, battery tray, waterproof (IP67), integrated rear sight, multiple MOA size or crosshair options.
Con: limited product history, initial reviews are mixed.
Availability: Not quite unobtanium, but expect to pay 10-40% more for immediate purchase.
I'd say your summary is pretty accurate.

What mixed reviews have you heard about the 507K?
I've read about a small number of users reporting a slight cant to the circle dot reticle.
And a user here had a dimming issue but neglected to check his battery before reporting that the optic failed.
Otherwise, range reports have been good. Mine has been flawless (knock on wood) after roughly 400 rounds.
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I'd say your summary is pretty accurate.



What mixed reviews have you heard about the 507K?

I've read about a small number of users reporting a slight cant to the circle dot reticle.

And a user here had a dimming issue but neglected to check his battery before reporting that the optic failed.

Otherwise, range reports have been good. Mine has been flawless (knock on wood) after roughly 400 rounds.


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Here’s my best summary of micro RDS that will bolt directly to the P365XL. Anything I’ve missed?

RomeoZero ($200):
Pro: fits, low price for adjustable brightness RDS, rear sight notch for backup sights, multiple MOA size options
Con: bottom battery, scratched lens, poor brightness control, plastic body, lower reliability
Availability: Some models are in stock.

RMSc ($400):
Pro: established name, better brightness controls, rear sight notch, aluminum body, multiple MOA size options, can be ordered with glass lens for substantial up-charge
Con: sold out, bottom battery, scratched lens, always on, lower reliability
Availability: Possible to find with limited searching

JPoint ($280):
Pro: available, rear sight notch
Con: plastic body, plastic lens, bottom battery, lower quality
Availability: Possible to find with limited searching

SwampFox Sentinel ($300):
Pro: aluminum body, glass lens, auto brightness, or good manual brightness buttons, limited waterproof
Con: no rear sight, bottom mount battery, limited product history
Availability: Not quite unobtanium

Holosun 4/507k ($200/300):
Pro: aluminum body, glass lens, good manual brightness buttons, battery tray, waterproof (IP67), integrated rear sight, multiple MOA size or crosshair options.
Con: limited product history, initial reviews are positive with some complaints of bad battery or slight distortion.
Availability: Not quite unobtanium, but expect to pay 10-40% more for immediate purchase.
What does “not quite unobtanium” mean under the Sentinel?

This is posted on their site “ SENTINEL AUTO AND MANUAL NEXT AVAILABLE SHIP DATE SEPTEMBER 17TH 2020” and my experience from actually buying one is they stick to it - mine was delivered a few days after posted ship date.

The definition “The word unobtainium derives humorously from unobtainable with the suffix -ium, the conventional designation for a chemical element. It pre-dates the similar-sounding IUPAC systematic element names, such as ununennium. An alternative spelling, unobtanium is sometimes used based on the spelling of metals such as titanium” doesn’t seem accurate since they are very obtainable.

They also stop taking orders and set an additional further out ship date when first set ship date orders stock are exceeded so as not to mislead customers.

Lastly, Swampfox offers law enforcement and military discounts. Not a Swampfox fanboy by any means (have 3 Romeos and a Leupold DPP), just trying to be fair.
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What does “not quite unobtanium” mean under the Sentinel?



This is posted on their site “ SENTINEL AUTO AND MANUAL NEXT AVAILABLE SHIP DATE SEPTEMBER 17TH 2020” and my experience from actually buying one is they stick to it - mine was delivered a few days after posted ship date.



The definition “The word unobtainium derives humorously from unobtainable with the suffix -ium, the conventional designation for a chemical element. It pre-dates the similar-sounding IUPAC systematic element names, such as ununennium. An alternative spelling, unobtanium is sometimes used based on the spelling of metals such as titanium” doesn’t seem accurate since they are very obtainable.



They also stop taking orders and set an additional further out ship date when first set ship date orders stock are exceeded so as not to mislead customers.



Lastly, Swampfox offers law enforcement and military discounts. Not a Swampfox fanboy by any means (have 3 Romeos and a Leupold DPP), just trying to be fair.

Thank you for the input, I’ve updated the first entry for both the SF and HS.

Nearly unobtanium indicates that it is frequently out of stock or difficult to find it for sale today. The SwampFox Optics stock and ordering methods do not increase their availability but do manage expectations more reasonably than forever shifting ship dates that some retailers use.

FWIW in the last 24 hours I’ve found a shop with the Sentinel in stock and another with the HS507K in stock. But it wasn’t simple for either one, hence the nearly unobtanium label.

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