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Old 01-09-2017, 10:30 AM   #16
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Yep, I was shooting those big paper targets because it's what the range required (I ordered some small stick-on hi-viz targets, but hadn't received them yet). I did about 20-30 rounds per gun, and was checking progress after each reload, but yeah, spreading it out over several small targets would've made a lot more sense, good suggestion.

Lighting over the gun at the range was decent, it was actually the target lighting that was not so great. Good point abotu the up/down variance, I do tend to notice that when I have a wide spread, it is more vertical, rarely horizontal. I think the 92FS I fired, I ended up with a more horizontal spread, and a 1911 I had a more diagonal spread, but the rest were all either fairly centered, or very vertical (usually from center to bottom of target). I realize I have a lot to learn about technique, am trying to decide a gun to get started with before I start taking instruction, based on what data I was able to collect from this experience. Still seems like it will be hard to go wrong with a 226. I know it fits well in my hand, I know I can get similar results to what I get with my 22LR guns, and it seems quality is impeccable.

Good point too about a reflex sight, I'll be sure to keep compatibility in mind when I pick up a 226! I'm just starting to experiment with red dots and reflex sights on my AR, I'm sure won't be long before I want it on a pistol too.
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:06 AM   #17
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I would argue is no real significant difference in the intrinsic accuracy of the 226 and 229.

If we are taking about weight, barrel lengths, and sight radius you are splitting hairs. None of these factors would cause HUGE variations in accuracy.

I could see ergonomics playing a role. If you had bigger or smaller hands and the grips were different.

Who knows what the condition of a range gun is. The sights could be off. It the barrel could be worn, abused or poorly maintained. Having regularly shot both guns side by side. I have no real preference. I love both guns equally.
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Old 01-09-2017, 01:30 PM   #18
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Also, what order did you shoot them in? You could have developed a flinch, that vertical stringing is often caused by anticipating the recoil and jerking low.
Have a friend slip a dummy in your stack sometime, it will be real apparent then if that's the case.
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even with dirty pistols, good ammo and bad eyes.....

i had the same problem but in reverse; 229 nice, 226 not so nice,
practiced dry firing them both, until my wife couldn't take it anymore.
finally figured out the hold and trigger on both.
that's what did it for me, now i both are nice even with the .357 conversion kits.
good luck and safe shooting
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I could see ergonomics playing a role. If you had bigger or smaller hands and the grips were different.
Does the 229 have a smaller grip? I actually have pretty small hands (I have a hard time reaching the mag release with my thumb on most pistols, without changing my grip) but my recollection was they both felt the same in hand (the 226 was heavier though, and I felt easier to keep steady).

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Also, what order did you shoot them in? You could have developed a flinch, that vertical stringing is often caused by anticipating the recoil and jerking low.
Have a friend slip a dummy in your stack sometime, it will be real apparent then if that's the case.
Order (and my general assessment of final grouping) was:

1. Sig P226 (Good)
2. GG34 (Good)
3. Sig P229 (Bad)
4. Sig SP2022 (Bad)
5. CZ75 SP-01 (Good)
6. M&P 9 Shield (Med)
7. Beretta 92FS (Med)
8. XD-9 Tactical (Good)
9. HK USP (Bad)
10. HK P2000 (Bad)

Will try the dummy round trick once I get my own gun, the range doesn't like us putting anything other than their approved ammo in the rental guns
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I've had a 229-40 for decades. I shoot better with it than any pistol I've ever owned. Close second(s) would be the 229-9 and M11-A1.
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Does the 229 have a smaller grip? I actually have pretty small hands (I have a hard time reaching the mag release with my thumb on most pistols, without changing my grip) but my recollection was they both felt the same in hand (the 226 was heavier though, and I felt easier to keep steady).
I feel your pain
I also have smaller than average hands (baby-girlie-hands) and full sized guns without smaller option frames, grips, grip panels can be a pain in the ***.

The P229 was actually my very first gun and when I bought it. I tried a P229 and a P226 both with E2 grips (the slimmer new grips) and found that with the p229 I was able to manipulate all of the controls with one hand comfortably. With the P226 the magazine release was just a hair too far away to reach without extra effort.
With my P229 I have since swapped out for hogue g10 extreme grips and I felt this was a tiny improvement.
I have since bought a P226 Legion and find that grip is totally comfortable (it has custom hogue g10 grips) this might be due to the slightly different frame geometry, but I can't be sure. I have tried to measure the difference between them but wasn't able to make a conclusion. I am probably going to be swapping out some springs in all the 229's and the 226 and will take measurements without the grips on.

I do find I can shoot flatter with the P226 than a P229 when I shoot rapidly due to added mass. at the end of the barrel. There is little to no difference with the P226 with a Streamlight TLR-2 mounted is mounted to the P229.

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The rounds are so in a downward vertical spread.

I think it is just a difference in the grip.

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You said you did a 4 hour session. Were any of the more accurate guns at the beginning of the 4 hours and the less accurate towards the end? 4 hours is a long session. Was you arm tired? Gripping the same? I am not sure I could keep the same accuracy over a 4 hour session of shooting.
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No doubt everyone who has posted knows more than I do but my opinion which agrees with some previous posts...
Tired because the 229 was not the first gun shot?

It's been a few months since I rented a P229. It was filthy and gritty but didn't affect accuracy at 10 yards. I assumed it to have the same SRT as my carry P239 which was purchased used. I feel the reset may be extra short on my gun ~1/10th of an inch.

The last time I made a quick stop at the range with the P239 in 9mm, the target looked like the P229 target above until I put the gun down, shook my wrists and sort of got my act together.

If I shoot for an hour, my shots go to the left. Much worse if shooting .40 with SP2340, 357sig target ammo out of the same gun isn't as bad (my first semi pistol).

I printed out the chart above, I've seen it before but will study it more.
On days when I bring a Glock 22 to the range, all my shots are to the right.
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My P229 Legion in forty shoots spot on .. the first shot I fired at 10 yards with it was a bulls eye less then 1/2 inch from being perfectly centered ..

at 25 yards I get groups like you did with the 226 you shot .. at 7 yards groups of a couple of inches slow shooting for accuracy which is how I believe you were shooting also ..

From your 2 fliers I'm guessing it was you and not the pistol .. were the shots that were several inches below the bulls eye toward the end of the shoot?? If your not use to shooting and they were then I would say fatigue was the cause .. but more then likely lack of concentration and hand movement is the reason ..

All the sigs I have ever shot were dead on target when I shot them .. My little P238 is the same way ..
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