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Old 04-10-2012, 04:35 AM   #16
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I would not normally post into a thread that was so old, but since someone woke it up I will give my two cents.

Sig is a very high volume company. They are of course going to have a very low percentage of issues with their guns. When those people have troubles, they tend to go to online forums to get advice and blow off steam. When people don't have troubles, they tend to never go online to talk about it. So in the end it could look like Sig has quality problems if you don't take those things into consideration.

We have had instances on this forum where people start threads talking about problems with certain models and if you dont' read carefully it seems like they are having those issues but in reality they are just repeating what they read somewhere else. And since this forum is really not monitored by anyone other than other users, there are really no checks of that type of thing being done.

In my opinion we should all be careful about repeating stories about so called quality issues when we all know that a large percentage of them are user error and bad ammo. The rest of those issues are always taken care of by Sig in a timely manner if the owner calls them and asks for help. So the best advice to anyone experiencing a problem with a new gun that they bought, is to call the MFG's customer service and make them aware immediately instead of trying to solve it in an online forum.

Just my two cents.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:12 AM   #17
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I'll have to find a way of shooting the HK P30 and the Sig to see which one works better for me though.
A more direct comparison would be the HKP30L. The HKP30L has the same barrel length as the P226. I like both, and it is a matter of preference. So, I'll give you my opinion, and it is an opinion only.

Sig P226
  • Good solid reputation
  • Accurate, easy to shoot
  • Great DA trigger. The trigger doesn't stack
  • Single action pull is very good. Sig is known for very good triggers, with a clean break, and little overtravel.
  • Sig customer service is very good.
  • A little on the heavy side, but only when compared to today's polymers.

HK P30 and P30L
  • Good solid reputation
  • Accurate
  • Trigger in DA stacks, but is managable
  • Single Action has some positive engagement and too much overtravel in my opinion, but not bad for a service pistol. Yet with the LEM, I don't seem to notice much over travel at all.
  • Lighter weight than the Sig P226
  • Customer service has had a bad reputaion, but is definately changing.
  • HK offers a multitude of differgerent trigger configurations, DA/SA, LEM, etc. The LEM is very nice.
  • Most polymer frame handguns seem to be able take a lot of abuse, such as high round count, and little maintenance. HK suggest changing springs every 25,000 rounds.
  • The ergonomics on the P30 are second to none. It is extremely fast to dump a mag, load a mag, and drop the slide, while keeping your shooting hand in its shooting position.
  • The HKP30 is completely ambidextrous.

Again, you can't go wrong with either. I have both, and enjoy both. If I had to make a decision, I'd go with the HK. HK seems to have taken the hammer fired semi auto handgun about as far as it can go. Of late when I go to the range, I take my P226 and one of my HKP30s. I can group longer range shots better with the P226, if for no other reason than the nice SA trigger pull. At close range, and rapid fire, especially with reloading, the HKP30 reigns king.

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The Hk 30 is almost as good as a Sig 2022,but not a major player in military and Goverment , L.E. contracts as the Sig 2022 is. The HK30 and Hk automatic line of handguns are dogs and look much like highpoints or the other entry level handgun from Walther the PPQ. Not to many goverments or L.E. use the HK. Even the Seals prefer the Sig226 Navy to the HK45c . The Navy just bought another big batch of MK-25,s. There are two big players and one more in Military,Goverment use. Glock, Berretta and of course SiG Sauer. Hk is a drop in the ocean with there limited use handguns. Germany uses about 18,000 p30,s ,because of there National pride. 3 maybe 4 countrys use another 5000 HK P-30,s. The Sig SP2022 is near a million in goverment service in a dozen countrys. Glock and Berretta,Sig Sauer millions. Thank God nobody else has to buy HK,s because of National pride like the poor Germans do or they would be well armed like the rest of the world.

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I have been an avid fan of Sig Sauer since the late 80's. I have not had any issues with any of my Sig's either made in Germany or USA. The last time I bought a Sig was a few months ago, and I am very impressed with its performance. Should I have any issues, I know that Sig Sauer Customer Service stands by their product and will do whatever to correct the problem. With that said,
  • Would I hesitate to buy another Sig? Never!
  • Can you go wrong buying a Sig? Only if you accidently bought the same model twice, because you forgot you already owned one, and you really meant to buy another model.
  • Do I think Sig's can fail, fresh out of the box? Yes, but that goes for any product ever made.
  • If money is an issue and you are concerned with the quality of a new Sig, you can always buy a good, older used Sig P226 - possibly a made in Germany P226



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Old 04-10-2012, 01:21 PM   #20
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The Hk 30 is almost as good as a Sig 2022,but not a major player in military and Goverment , L.E. contracts as the Sig 2022 is. The HK30 and Hk automatic line of handguns are dogs and look much like highpoints or the other entry level handgun from Walther the PPQ. Not to many goverments or L.E. use the HK. Even the Seals prefer the Sig226 Navy to the HK45c . The Navy just bought another big batch of MK-25,s. There are two big players and one more in Military,Goverment use. Glock, Berretta and of course SiG Sauer. Hk is a drop in the ocean with there limited use handguns.
Don't go by how-many agencies have purchased how-many handguns, in order to prove your point. If that were the case, the Crown Victoria would be lauded as the best car ever built. It was certainly used by more LE agencies than any other car. The Sig P226 is a fine handgun. You mentioned the Seal's choice of this handgun, and how they prefer it over the HK45c. Those two handguns are for two different roles. In fact, the HK45c was met with great response for its role.

What you have to remember is that the selection of P226 was made long before the HKP30 came about. It was a good selection, but I doubt that if the selection were made again, it would be one with an alloy frame, too much weight. Remember, handguns in combat are secondary at best. They are rarely updated in comparison to the standard arms, say maybe the HK416, big Spl Ops choice.

I would again say that both are very good handguns, and that either will work well. I do have one suggestion for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously, leave out the emotion. Such phrases as
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The HK30 and Hk automatic line of handguns are dogs and look much like highpoints or the other entry level handgun from Walther the PPQ.
label you as someone with a biased opinion at best, and perhaps very uninformed. Both the HKP30 and The Walther PPQ are fine handguns, as is the Sig 226.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:58 PM   #21
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My 2011 226 9mm, 229 9mm and Mosquito Sport model are all flawless. Waiting for new permits to get a 220 45 and the 224 when it comes out...nuff said!!!
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I'd definitely go for a SIG P226 in 9mm, especially the Navy model with the rust-resistant coatings. If it's going to be your go-to gun, get a really nice handgun you can trust.

As for SIG quality control: in my first SIG, a P226R in .40, I had a strange malfunction in which the trigger would lock back and refuse to reset when I'd fire a round without a magazine in it. I called SIG customer service and had my fixed P226 back two weeks later. I was initially annoyed that my pistol malfunctioned, but I was very surprised by how quickly it was made right. Can't go wrong with SIGs CS. This is the same reason I bought a new Smith and Wesson, lifetime warranty.
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The new Navys are great 226,s. I have old German and W.German 226,s and prefer the New Mk-25 Navy for its stronger one piece stainless slide and chrome bore and phospate coatings. I have had 3 new Sigs made in 2011 and 2012 all area works of art and top notch Q.
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I own several Sigs and 2 are P226's, a TacOps in 40 and the "Navy". The Navy is my favorite 9mm in my collection. It is just a fantastic weapon to shoot and is very accurate. I paid 880 for mine and encouraged a friend to get his as well. He didn't at the time and now he wants one but the price is now 1200. They are getting a little more scarce by the day. If you desire one I recommend not waiting. Sig's are great weapons and there are many carried here in Afghanistan.
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There is one thing I have learned through forum participation and seeing comments about guns I use, is that a few problem posts don't necessarily mean all new guns of that model will be lemons. I see posts about issue and failures that I never experienced myself. For every issue posted, I now wonder how many other thousand are doing OK. In modern, competative manufacturing problems will come up. So much of it comes down to the company customer support and how they back the customer up and make the product good.

I for one am not ready to jump ship based solely on problems posted in a forum.
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my 229 is used.. and she was abused. still is a fine shooter. the 938..well I have posted my woes with her but after coming back, only the loose round on eject issue remains.
the 225 is perfect perfect perfect
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My new (manufacture date of May 2012) Exeter-made P220 Compact has been flawless from the box.

My older P239 (bought in 2005) was flawless from the box.

My old P225 (bought around 1989?) was flawless from the box.

If you are on a tight budget, however, might I suggest a Glock?
It's cool that you like the anchor for your interest in the US Navy....but you ain't in the Navy yet!

I love the ergos and fit and finish of Sig.
But...Glock will work as well as Sig, maybe better in certain areas (lighter weight, easier to detail strip, run with less lube), so....

try to shoot some guns, as how they feel in the gunstore is seldom an indicator of what may work well for you in real life.
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