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Old 10-27-2011, 07:16 AM   #1
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I have a Sig P220 Carry that I really like. I purchased it with the idea of carrying it concealed. I ordered a High Noon holster.



I have taken my P220 to the range and I love the way it shots in the single action mode. The first shot is proving difficult for me to shot as accurately as the single action shots. I end up having to reach around to put my finger pad on the trigger and it pulls my grip off slightly.



Now to my question - my hands are not the biggest and the first shot (double action) is difficult for me to shoot accurately. Is the short trigger actually shorter and would it be easier for me to reach or is it just referring to the reset? I have a P229 and I have no problems with it. I already have taken the beautiful wooden grips off of my P220 and put on Hogue rubber grips - this helped a little. If the short trigger is not the answer, what would you suggest? Thanks!
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i had the short trigger put on my 226 & it solved that problem for me, never had it done to my 220 because i dont use it for work. btw i had sig do the work
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Old 10-27-2011, 12:21 PM   #3
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Short trigger would be my first move.







Just a side note: the shrt trigger will assist in your double action reach and may also alter your single action mechanics as you have developed them. To be fair, shortening the reach by ANY method will have this effect. I mention this because my son went through it when he added a short rigger to get better finger placement for double action. He had to go through some "adjustments" in his single action mechanics.
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Well, as a short term remedy, you can always reach up and cock it.
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Good point Viper! Thanks for the suggestions. If any work is done on my Sig, Sig will do it - I agree with that.
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I think the short trigger is the way to go... If the Sig Custom Shop does it, there is no voiding of the warranty.
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I have a Sig P220 Carry that I really like. I purchased it with the idea of carrying it concealed. I ordered a High Noon holster.



I have taken my P220 to the range and I love the way it shots in the single action mode. The first shot is proving difficult for me to shot as accurately as the single action shots. I end up having to reach around to put my finger pad on the trigger and it pulls my grip off slightly.



Now to my question - my hands are not the biggest and the first shot (double action) is difficult for me to shoot accurately. Is the short trigger actually shorter and would it be easier for me to reach or is it just referring to the reset? I have a P229 and I have no problems with it. I already have taken the beautiful wooden grips off of my P220 and put on Hogue rubber grips - this helped a little. If the short trigger is not the answer, what would you suggest? Thanks!


There's a lot of talk in this thread about short triggers, I'd like to clear things up.



Your gun is set up DA/SA. Sig offers DA/SA, DAK (I hate this) and SRT. SRT is a SHORT RESET TRIGGER. The reset point is Glock like in similarity. What I THINK everyone is talking about is what I like to call the "anorexic" trigger - so be clear here when you are talking about DA/SA vs SRT and fat trigger vs anorexic trigger.



The size of the anorexic trigger is substantially slimmer than the regular sig trigger. If you are complaining about the length of it - the fatter trigger (I think) delivers the least travel because of the size. The anorexic trigger would travel further by virtue of not having as much material and has to travel farther as a result. I think that's what you mean.
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As noted above, many use the term short trigger and get confused as it can have TWO meanings. The Short Reset Trigger or SRT, is the replacement of the sear and safety lever (on the 226s and 229s, 220s also need to replace the de-cocking lever) to reduce the travel of the trigger to reset and reduce the uptake in SA mode. The Short Reach Trigger, what I prefer to call a Reduced Reach Trigger, is a replacement of the standard, thicker trigger with a thinner version that reduces the distance from the rear of the grip (backstrap) to the face of the trigger. The thinner trigger is accomplished by removing material from the front face of the trigger only. The length of pull in DA is not affected.



Opinions of the reduced reach trigger are mixed. Some don't like the feel while others complain of pinched trigger fingers at the rear of the stroke. Those getting pinched are those who go a little deep with their finger on the trigger, usually towards the first joint or knuckle. This type of finger placement allows extra flesh of the finger to get pinched when the trigger stroke is terminated against the frame. Many with smaller hands like the thinner trigger on the new versions of 226 and 229 and when combined with the new "E2" grip, find the reach is reduced enough that they can handle the weapon comfortably. Others with medium sized hands, like myself, find that standard grips paired with the thinner trigger provide a comfortable reach.



As for the 220s, they are a little longer from the backstrap to the trigger than a 226 and with the standard, thicker trigger can cause reach issues for some. The reduced reach trigger can help relieve some of the stretch.



Hope this helps...Sig Marine (Certified Sig Armorer)
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Agreed, my bad. I was confusing the SRT for a shorter trigger reach while a reduced reach trigger (anorexic trigger) is what I really wanted. I don't have a problem with the length of pull. The issue is getting the pad of my trigger finger on the trigger for an accurate first shoot. I tend to slide my grip to the right to reach the trigger comfortably and thus my shot is not as accurate and I then have to readjust for my follow up shots. Who sells this trigger? Sig? Will it eliminate my short rest function if I have a reduced reach trigger installed on my P220? I know I may not be able to have both - Catch 22?



Here is a picture of my P220 before I changed to the Hogue grips but it has a good shot of the trigger. It already has the SRT on it.

http://i1126.photobu...er/DSC_0002.jpg



Here the P220 is with the Hogue rubber grips.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...r/DSC_0081.jpg



Thanks for all of the help and advice! This is what makes this forum one of the best!
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The short (or "slim" or "thin") trigger might be the way to go for you. But the Hogue grips may be a bit on the thick side and add to the problem as well. I'm not familiar with the thickness of the Hogues so I can't really say. I know the standard old pebbled plastic SIG grips for the P220 are very thin. They're pretty cheap too. You can get them from Top Gun Supply for around $16.00. TGS actually refers to them as "slim" grip panels. I'm very fond of the way the standard SIG grips fit to my hand for both the P220 and the models that use double stack magazines.
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The reduced reach triggers are available from Top Gun Supply as well as a great video by Chris Willardsen and Chris Orndorff. The video, "Sig Sauer Armorer's Course - Complete Disassembly and Reassembly of SIG AutopIstols" covers Routine Maintenance/Armorer's Tips and is very close to what is taught at an Armorer's class by Sig. While it doesn't specifically show changing triggers or installing SRT kits, it does show you how to detail strip the gun for cleaning and inspection of parts - installing a new trigger or SRT kit are easy when reassembling the gun.



The addition of a reduced reach trigger WILL NOT have any effect on the reset and function of a short reset trigger.



Semper Fi...Sig Marine
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Agreed, my bad. I was confusing the SRT for a shorter trigger reach while a reduced reach trigger (anorexic trigger) is what I really wanted. I don't have a problem with the length of pull. The issue is getting the pad of my trigger finger on the trigger for an accurate first shoot. I tend to slide my grip to the right to reach the trigger comfortably and thus my shot is not as accurate and I then have to readjust for my follow up shots. Who sells this trigger? Sig? Will it eliminate my short rest function if I have a reduced reach trigger installed on my P220? I know I may not be able to have both - Catch 22?



Here is a picture of my P220 before I changed to the Hogue grips but it has a good shot of the trigger. It already has the SRT on it.

http://i1126.photobu...er/DSC_0002.jpg



Here the P220 is with the Hogue rubber grips.

http://i1126.photobu...er/DSC_0081.jpg



Thanks for all of the help and advice! This is what makes this forum one of the best!




I have the perfect solution for your 220 problems.. I will trade You a New P-239 40 cal with Night Sights & a few Bucks for your P-220 Carry..



I Really love Your Gun...
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If that's your issue, the DA first shot, trade it for a SAO 220.
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I have a Sig P220 compact that I love







I had my gunsmith change my gun from a DAO to a DA/SA trigger system.



He also put in the short reset trigger & did a trigger job on my gun.



It really lighten the DA pull for me and made it much easier.



If you'd like to contact him he is :



Robert Burke (972) 342-2717



http://thesigarmorer.com/



He's a nice guy and enjoys talking to clients.



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I have a Sig P220 compact that I love







I had my gunsmith change my gun from a DAO to a DA/SA trigger system.



He also put in the short reset trigger & did a trigger job on my gun.



It really lighten the DA pull for me and made it much easier.



If you'd like to contact him he is :



Robert Burke (972) 342-2717



http://thesigarmorer.com/



He's a nice guy and enjoys talking to clients.







Thats a nice 220 Yes Robert is a real good guy He helped Me out when I had a problem, I've heard nothing but great things about him..
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