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Old 11-09-2011, 08:35 AM   #1
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Are SIG's sighted in at the factory? My shooting buddy told me not to buy a SIG becasue the sights are installed at the factory but not sighted in "zero", and you have to buy a tool to adjust the sights



Is this true for SIG or all handguns mfg's.?
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:19 AM   #2
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That is crazy that he told you not to buy a SIG for that reason.



I don't believe too many manufacturers actually test fire their pistols to see if they are dead on. Walther, such as the P99/PPQ/PPS, still does and provides test targets with their pistols. AFAIK SIG visually centers the sights on the slide which should be pretty good. I assume that is what most other manufactures do also and what I have done on occasion. On the SIG forum I rarely hear anyone complain that their sights were off with a new pistol. Not saying it can't happen but rarely hear about it. My new Exeter SIGs have been dead on. SIGs are fantastic pistols and if you really want one don't let that worry you. IMO many time a pistol owner thinks their sights are off but it is them and the way they shoot it. If one does believe the sights are off it is best to have a couple other known good shots try out the pistol.



I have the SIG sight tool because my P228, which was used but in 99% condition came with the rear sight off. I visually centerd it and I was then good to go.



My first time out with my P228. You can see why I thought the sights were off after firing 26 rounds.




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Old 11-09-2011, 07:03 PM   #3
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From my experience, regardless of what brand of gun, you would usually have to fine tune the sights. The sights can be off for the following reasons: Switching from right hand to left hand or vice-versa; being cross-eye dominant; the grip is slightly large for your hand; the grip is slightly small for your hand; the way you grip the gun; etc. Yes, I have bought guns that were dead on right out of the box. Most of the time, out of the box its close enough for me. BANG, BANG, threat has been terminated.

As for having a sight tool, its MUCH easier and faster with a sight adjustment tool, but its not mandatory. I have used a brass punch and hammer before, and it worked just fine...
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Old 11-09-2011, 09:21 PM   #4
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I just picked up a Sig Scorpion Carry and its a fuzz off but all you need is a allen wrench to adjust it.
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You should have no problems. No idea what your friend is thinking because with that train if thought you will never buy any gun on the market.
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New Sig sp2022 Hts very low and left.

Hi, let me start off by saying I'm no rookie at shooting a handgun. I shot IPSC for a decade and am very good with ALL my hand guns. My wife bought this NIB Sig sp2022 in 9mm. She was hitting almost a foot low and 6" left, right from the get go. I told her she is likely struggling with it as a new gun and thus low and left. I shoot it just as poorly!! Oh at 150 yrds while elevating a bit i hit a soap bucket very well. But up close with sights parallel @ 25 yrds it is way off. Then I learn that I need an outrageously costly tool to move left and right and will still be hitting a foot low. Any ideas? Do I send it back to Sig and if so how long does it take to get it back (usually)? Come on Sig Sauer, you can do better than this.
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Yes, yes, no.
I do not know of any gun that does not have the sights installed at the factory. And usually they are right on.

Some guns may have a stiffer trigger pull than others- this is generally what causes an inexperienced shooter to pull the the gun off target when it fires. I have shot 2 sigs in my life- a new 2022 (9mm) and this old 228 that I just bought. Both were dead on.
Here is a pic of a target I just shot with my sweet old 228-
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Nice shooting

Thanks for the response Brojohn. Alas I must say again that if it was just my wife or if off a small bit..well, you know. I have had two Sigs prior and shot them both very well. Tomorrow, Lord willing, I will shoot the gun off my bench. I'm far from confident though. I NEVER shoot a foot low at 20 yards. Not unless of course the sights are way OFF. Following a few forums I noticed that those who said the sight # (s) the have on their guns were all #6 front and #8 rear. Unless they changed them out for some reason. Mine came with #8 at front and back. The taller front may be my problem? These are night sites and I would hate to have to buy a new set. I will sell the set I have if it come to that and use the affordable standard sites. I guess I can always sell the night set.
Thanks again for your response.
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That is crazy that he told you not to buy a SIG for that reason.



I don't believe too many manufacturers actually test fire their pistols to see if they are dead on. Walther, such as the P99/PPQ/PPS, still does and provides test targets with their pistols. AFAIK SIG visually centers the sights on the slide which should be pretty good. I assume that is what most other manufactures do also and what I have done on occasion. On the SIG forum I rarely hear anyone complain that their sights were off with a new pistol. Not saying it can't happen but rarely hear about it. My new Exeter SIGs have been dead on. SIGs are fantastic pistols and if you really want one don't let that worry you. IMO many time a pistol owner thinks their sights are off but it is them and the way they shoot it. If one does believe the sights are off it is best to have a couple other known good shots try out the pistol.



I have the SIG sight tool because my P228, which was used but in 99% condition came with the rear sight off. I visually centerd it and I was then good to go.



My first time out with my P228. You can see why I thought the sights were off after firing 26 rounds.



Nice Shooting Sigarms228. That is what I expect from a Sig. Hope to get mine up to par.
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I commonly go with a group of friends to the range (weekly or better). All are experienced shooters in varying degrees. We shoot each others gun often and I can tell you we don't always group in the same spot with the same pistol. Commonly we are close enough to center to be OK with it and a being able to adjust sights easily is a plus. I say this to make the following point. When Sig sets the sites at factory, it may not be RIGHT ON for some shooters. I will never understand needing a $100+ vise to make a small adjustment. My local gun shop may have one but I would be guessing as to were to set it to get it dead on. Then back to the range, ooops, need a bit more, and so on. That's crazy!!! It is 25 mile between the range and the gun shop! What a goofed up idea for sights. Even if this was a one in a hundred problem. Why not make sites that are user friendly? That said, I like (love) everything else about my Sig pistols. Groups are tight, reliability if off the hook great, and the feel is very comfortable to both my wife and I. One BIG flaw that is simple to engineer away by Sig to have the best defense and plinking pistol made! THOUGHTS ANYONE???
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Nice Shooting Sigarms228. That is what I expect from a Sig. Hope to get mine up to par.
If that group were 2" right it would be remarkable for an out of the box pistol. Yes, some shooting skill is present as well. IF you were more than 15 yards away! My Kimber will do this at 30 yards off hand (for me) all day long. Dead center of course! I put about 500 rounds a week on paper or target weekly (for about 30 years) and hope to never grow to old to shoot. You said you shot this the FIRST time out. Is it hitting center now? If so I hope we are always on the same side!! LOL
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If you gun shoots like this!!

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Nice Shooting Sigarms228. That is what I expect from a Sig. Hope to get mine up to par.
No one has mentioned ammo! If your gun shoots like this picture above, you are not having any real problems with the gun. Certain ammo will cause hits shooting left, right, high or low. Each gun has a bullet it like the best, and your job is to find it. Bench rest or sand bag the gun, and try various brands of ammo. Even reloads if you roll your own, until you find what the gun likes. And since most encounters with a bad guy occurs within arms length anyway, the results of a twenty five yard shoot is moot anyway. JMHO of course..
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Thanks for the response Brojohn. Alas I must say again that if it was just my wife or if off a small bit..well, you know. I have had two Sigs prior and shot them both very well. Tomorrow, Lord willing, I will shoot the gun off my bench. I'm far from confident though. I NEVER shoot a foot low at 20 yards. Not unless of course the sights are way OFF. Following a few forums I noticed that those who said the sight # (s) the have on their guns were all #6 front and #8 rear. Unless they changed them out for some reason. Mine came with #8 at front and back. The taller front may be my problem? These are night sites and I would hate to have to buy a new set. I will sell the set I have if it come to that and use the affordable standard sites. I guess I can always sell the night set.
Thanks again for your response.
The #8 front sight is actually shorter than the number #6; so says the SIG rep I talked to. He told me "the lower the number, the lower the POI". Front vs rear sight numbering is reversed; that is to say a shorter front sight has a higher number than a taller front sight and a taller rear sight has a higher number than a shorter rear sight (thus the rule "lower number, lower POI" applies whether talking a front or rear sight).
I found the POI with my P250 was a few inches low at 25' and had a trusted member of the range staff confirm. I replaced the #6 sight with a #8 at the SIG reps recommendation which he said will raise my POI 2" at 25'. I now have #8's on both front and rear. Hope to get to the range today to try it out. That is if I get off this darn forum and get my chores done!
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If that group were 2" right it would be remarkable for an out of the box pistol. Yes, some shooting skill is present as well. IF you were more than 15 yards away! My Kimber will do this at 30 yards off hand (for me) all day long. Dead center of course! I put about 500 rounds a week on paper or target weekly (for about 30 years) and hope to never grow to old to shoot. You said you shot this the FIRST time out. Is it hitting center now? If so I hope we are always on the same side!! LOL
My P228 was a Zurch Swiss Police trade in and when I checked the front sight it was visibly off center. I bought the SIG sight tool since I have more than a few SIGs and centered it and it now shoots right on target.
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