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Old 02-24-2017, 04:05 AM   #1
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OK I need some advice on a possible purchase. I have found a German P228 that seems to have the right proof marks but the date code says it is a 2004.

I need to know how to really know if this is a German gun for sure. The serial number is B322***, it has matching frame, barrel, and slide serial numbers and proof marks on the slide barrel and frame. It also says along with Made in Germany on the slide it also has PW Arms Redmond,Wa. The gun is in pretty good shape.

The gun does not have the box but does have 1 seemingly correct mag and 5 more mec-gar 15 round mags.

what it worth

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Old 02-24-2017, 05:49 AM   #2
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Pictures, needed!!!
If it has serial numbers on frame, slide, and barrel it is no doubt a German gun, as US manufactured guns only serialize the frame!

The importer markings, are also a clue, as to who knows where it originally came from?

You could contact PW Arms, if they are still in business, and see if they can shed light on it's history, as they will have records!
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I was lead to believe that is the “Proof Marks” on the underside of the frame, toward the barrel end that show a date code so to speak. Have you looked at this THREAD


I don’t know the history of SIG Sauer – USA but, I might suggest that PW Arms Redmond, WA, was possibly the importer to the US prior to the creation of SigArms and then SIG Sauer in Exeter, NH
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Welcome from PA! Gotta love the P228!
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http://i.imgur.com/q96L4Jd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PcPrmcn.jpg


I will try this, I have had no luck posting pics on this site.
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The German proof marks are the true proof that SIGs are made in Germany. The triple matching serial numbers can be an indication, but not all triple serial SIGs were made in Germany, for example, see the early triple serial P229s that were assembled in Exeter without proof marks. There are also SIGs like some German-made SIG Sport models that have only two serial numbers, but German proof marks.

As I recall the commercial P228 was officially "discontinued", or uncatalogued, in 2005. However, SIG continued to make P228s to fulfill their US military contract and occasionally had limited runs for the civilian market.

Without photos, I would guess a non-pristine or LNIB P228 is worth between $450-$600 depending on condition and if it has the original case and papers. If the gun were in an auction, the price could go up $100 or more if some "collector" got involved in the bidding.
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Since this gun was imported by PWA, it was probably a gun made for European use (shouldn't say SIGArms on the slide). Guns made for the US were mostly imported by SIGArms (now SIG Sauer USA). Older SIGs have been imported by other companies.
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without box, $500
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Swiss police/military trade-in. Look at the reverse "B" stuck to the "P".
Yes, the gun was made and proofed in Germany originally.
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From the pics, it looks to be in very good shape. $700, or more, would not be out of line at all.

Btw, PW Arms imports many later model SIGs that were not brought over by SIG USA.

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From the pics, it looks to be in very good shape. $700, or more, would not be out of line at all.

Btw, PW Arms imports many later model SIGs that were not brought over by SIG USA.
IMHO I would not pay a penny over $500 unless you really wanted one. OTOH, I paid $425 for the P228 that I EDC OC. I feel that I have time on my side and wait for deals. I don't form an emotional attachment until AFTER I have bought it.


I don't remember ever seeing the proof marks on the barrel like that.



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I don't remember ever seeing the proof marks on the barrel like that.
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Some time in the early 2000's, I believe, SIG began putting the 3 proof marks on the left side of the barrel hood instead of on the bottom front slide "chin" (dust cover?) like on the older carbon steel slides. That is the same place the proof marks are located on my 2005 P226 Sport Stock.
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Some time in the early 2000's, I believe, SIG began putting the 3 proof marks on the left side of the barrel hood instead of on the bottom front slide "chin" (dust cover?) like on the older carbon steel slides. That is the same place the proof marks are located on my 2005 P226 Sport Stock.
Yep, after 2000, German made & proofed SIGs were marked like that.
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If a gun is assembled in Germany the frame, slide AND barrel have to be proofed and serialized because those are the parts that are considered the gun. Here in the USA it's only the frame.
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