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Old 04-07-2017, 08:19 AM   #16
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I predicted someone would do this....

...of course, it just happened to be me.

In the process of installing the first of two Armory Craft triggers (P227 Tactical), I filed the pre-travel pin down just a hair too much...resulting in more movement in the trigger than there could have been (had I been a bit more careful, gone slower, etc., yada yada)

Like others, I filed a little, then put the trigger in and checked to see if it would DA reset. Then took the trigger our and filed a little more...and...oops...too far. Dang.

Took my time on the next trigger (P229 Stainless Elite) and used a brand new super sharp X-Acto blade to shave nearly transparent slivers off the pre-travel pin until the DA reset reliably.

Perfection. Looks and feels good.

Here's the best part: I sent a note to Armory Craft letting them know what I did and asking if the pre-travel pin is pressed in or glued in (starting to think about how I would fix my mistake). Got an almost immediate reply:

"The pin is pressed in. It can be drilled out. What's your address, I'll send you a replacement right away."

Thanks, Armory Craft for creating the new flat trigger for our favorite guns...and for taking good care of your customers!

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Old 04-07-2017, 08:35 AM   #17
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...of course, it just happened to be me.

In the process of installing the first of two Armory Craft triggers (P227 Tactical), I filed the pre-travel pin down just a hair too much...resulting in more movement in the trigger than there could have been (had I been a bit more careful, gone slower, etc., yada yada)

Like others, I filed a little, then put the trigger in and checked to see if it would DA reset. Then took the trigger our and filed a little more...and...oops...too far. Dang.

Took my time on the next trigger (P229 Stainless Elite) and used a brand new super sharp X-Acto blade to shave nearly transparent slivers off the pre-travel pin until the DA reset reliably.

Perfection. Looks and feels good.

Here's the best part: I sent a note to Armory Craft letting them know what I did and asking if the pre-travel pin is pressed in or glued in (starting to think about how I would fix my mistake). Got an almost immediate reply:

"The pin is pressed in. It can be drilled out. What's your address, I'll send you a replacement right away."

Thanks, Armory Craft for creating the new flat trigger for our favorite guns...and for taking good care of your customers!

Northlight
So is the delrin pin plastic? I wonder if it can be swapped out for a metal one or if it even matters.
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:45 AM   #18
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Looking at this got the wheels turning in my head. Couldn't small hole theoretically be drilled and add a pin to the front of a standard trigger? One could get a pin, and make a small undersized hole and hammer in the pin into place. Then file it down to take out the pre travel? I may take a stab at it with an old trigger I have laying around.
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Old 04-07-2017, 09:02 AM   #19
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Seems like there is...

...enough area on the trigger to do what you are suggesting...with one additional idea:

Instead of having to file or shave the pre-travel pin, let's drill and tap for an adjustable pin like the one that controls SA over-travel.

Essentially reversing the orientation of the allen-wrench-adjusted SA over-travel pin, putting the delrin part towards the front with the allen head to the rear.

Challenge: Access to the allen head on the back side of the trigger. Not unlike the current shave-the-pin approach, you still have to take the trigger out to adjust the pin length...but if you go too far (like I did) you can adjust the DA pre-travel instead of replacing the pin.

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Old 04-07-2017, 09:10 AM   #20
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...enough area on the trigger to do what you are suggesting...with one additional idea:

Instead of having to file or shave the pre-travel pin, let's drill and tap for an adjustable pin like the one that controls SA over-travel.

Essentially reversing the orientation of the allen-wrench-adjusted SA over-travel pin, putting the delrin part towards the front with the allen head to the rear.

Challenge: Access to the allen head on the back side of the trigger. Not unlike the current shave-the-pin approach, you still have to take the trigger out to adjust the pin length...but if you go too far (like I did) you can adjust the DA pre-travel instead of replacing the pin.

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I thought about that too, but I don't like the idea of having to Loctite, and worrying about threads backing out. a really tight pin with maybe even some Loctite won't move. I even thought about the same thing for the over travel. A pin that can be pushed in to file down. This to me removes any possibility of the screw moving at any point.
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Interesting...

...so if we recognize that there are differences from gun to gun in the required length of the pre-travel or over-travel pins....maybe each trigger ships with 3 or 4 different length pins.

Lengths of the pin are determined by a quick survey of the range of P-series guns and the various lengths people are ending up with to deliver reliable DA reset.

I'm with you, I don't like stuff coming loose or adjusting itself into non-operation...but...(as I've experienced just recently)...I also don't really like the slightly less exacting nature of filing or shaving things to fit.

Guess I'm more of an "Amateur Armorer"....semi-capable of taking things apart and putting them back together...than an "Amateur Gunsmith"...semi-capable of carefully fitting parts together like real gunsmiths can.

No matter what....this is a whole lot of fun...

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...so if we recognize that there are differences from gun to gun in the required length of the pre-travel or over-travel pins....maybe each trigger ships with 3 or 4 different length pins.

Lengths of the pin are determined by a quick survey of the range of P-series guns and the various lengths people are ending up with to deliver reliable DA reset.

I'm with you, I don't like stuff coming loose or adjusting itself into non-operation...but...(as I've experienced just recently)...I also don't really like the slightly less exacting nature of filing or shaving things to fit.

Guess I'm more of an "Amateur Armorer"....semi-capable of taking things apart and putting them back together...than an "Amateur Gunsmith"...semi-capable of carefully fitting parts together like real gunsmiths can.

No matter what....this is a whole lot of fun...

Northlight
Agree 100% with you. I haven't installed my armory craft trigger yet but hopefully get a chance to this weekend. I've sort of been putting it off because of fear I would screw it up too lol. I'm not a gunsmith but think that either a pin to file down or a screw as you mentioned is a brilliant idea. Home made adjustable factory trigger.
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Have you had...

...your gun apart before and taken out the trigger?

It's pretty simple...perhaps you know this already.

It took more fiddling to get the trigger bar out of my 229 than the 227...I think there's just a little more room.

I also took the opportunity to look things over and clean and re-grease as necessary.

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...your gun apart before and taken out the trigger?

It's pretty simple...perhaps you know this already.

It took more fiddling to get the trigger bar out of my 229 than the 227...I think there's just a little more room.

I also took the opportunity to look things over and clean and re-grease as necessary.

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Yes I've taken the whole frame apart before. It isn't that hard, but I have had trouble getting that dad gummed trigger bar in too.

I'm thinking now, that I may modify my dreaded short reach triggers. I hate how the short reach trigger pinches my finger, but if I can remove the over travel I think it would be awesome.
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It took more fiddling to get the trigger bar out of my 229 than the 227...I think there's just a little more room.
If your gun has SRT installed, disconnect the sear spring and remove the safety lever in order to take off the trigger bar. The long leg of the safety lever makes it almost impossible to remove and reinstall the trigger bar.
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This trigger is so comfortable to my finger. It totally removed the pinch of both the regular and short thin) trigger. I even tried the trigger mod posted by another forum member. This Armory design allows use of the full length of the trigger and feels like .5 lighter trigger pull.

And No I am not a Shill. Just a very happy customer. Nice job boys!
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Here's the best part: I sent a note to Armory Craft letting them know what I did and asking if the pre-travel pin is pressed in or glued in (starting to think about how I would fix my mistake). Got an almost immediate reply:

"The pin is pressed in. It can be drilled out. What's your address, I'll send you a replacement right away."
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Are they sending you a replacement delrin rod or a brand new trigger?
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Excellent question...

...I think just a replacement pin.

I'm sure I can get the "too short" one out of the trigger I have.

I'll let you know when I get the package.

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I finally got around to installing the trigger. It feels great and does all as advertised. A couple of concerns I have though. How durable is that little green plastic at the back of the overtravel screw.? Also, compared to steel, how durable is alluminum compared to steel in this application? I mean it has a pin in it and it is being pushed and pulled and it seems like it would wear. I noticed some flex in the trigger around the lightening cut, at least to my eyes it looks like flex. I hope the trigger works great, and just hope I'm being paranoid. I do like the way it looks and feels, they are for sure onto something with this trigger.
I also noticed that my trigger seems to sit differently in my frame compared to others. Hardly none of the delrin pin deal is sticking out at the bottom like others I've seen.
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easiest way is to remove everything down to the trigger

put new trigger in, attach trigger bar spring.

insert trigger pin only. and file down a little per time repeating steps until you can get a DA pull.

as soon as you get a DA pull. take the spring and pin out and reassemble as you would normally. no pretravel and your DA/SA works and it goes back together like butter
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