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Old 04-10-2017, 03:37 AM   #16
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Carry what you have confidence in. Nothing else. If you want to use the M-11 shoot it until you have confidence in it yourself.
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Old 04-10-2017, 03:41 AM   #17
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Where the "fail to fire" incidents with one ammo brand or multiple ammo brands?
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Old 04-10-2017, 08:10 AM   #18
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FWIW I own a S&W M&P 45 pistol that I got used for half price ($300) and soon discovered why (I kinda knew already): It failed to eject and feed properly.

I replaced the extractor with an aftermarket model from Apex and it was like night and day. It's one of my favorite guns now and I trust it 100% after putting 5-600 rounds through it without any issues AT ALL.

My Dad also had troubles with his 450 Marlin lever gun and it went back to Marlin (pre-Remington) twice before it was "fixed". He has hunted and shot with it for years now without issue.
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Old 04-10-2017, 08:16 AM   #19
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I'll never, totally, trust any mechanical device. Can a person have faith that something will function the majority of the time? Yes. 100% of the time? No. So, given the platform- the 229; Sig worked on it; you've run a substantial amount through it- I'd say it's about as trustworthy as it can be. Even if it had never failed on you, yet, it still had the potential to.
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Old 04-10-2017, 11:23 AM   #20
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Your M-11 is fatally flawed. It will never be out from under this curse until you ship the gun to me via ABQ Guns in Albuquerque, NM. After I exorcise its demons, I will ship it back to you, in this life or the next, emanating a glow as bright as the sun, dazzling you with its brilliance (thanks to having all of the finish worn off from my carrying - er, exorcising it). You can then return it to SIG and have all of the internal springs and barrel (now almost a smoothbore) replaced. It will then give you a(nother) lifetime of faithful, trouble-free service... ))

In all seriousness, what kind of ammunition were you using, reloads? When it refused to fire that one time, what ammunition were you using, reloads? Was that before or after you completely disassembled the gun upoon its return to check on what they did to fix it?

If you have gone 1K rounds w/o any issues, replace the recoil spring and start carrying the gun using only Federal HST, W-W Ranger, or Speer GDHP or G2 for carry, and Federal AE or W-W White Box FMJ for practice.
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Old 04-10-2017, 01:32 PM   #21
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Based upon the tone of your post and question, you are not yet ready to carry that pistol for SD. The gun must earn your trust. So far, it hasn't. And, maybe it never will. If that's the case I'd sell it or restrict it to range use.

It just so happens that today I'm carrying my M11-A1 and really like the in-hand feel of it. The trigger pull is a tad too heavy for what I like but its okay and it is smooth. So far, over 500 flawless rounds fired thru it.
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:04 PM   #22
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What ammo where you shooting before, what are you shooting now?
When you had problems with the gun, did you disassemble the slide parts yourself and take a look at what was going on in there?
On the surface of things it seems like bad springs and/or junk in the firing pin channel and extractor. Could have been over lubed or cleaned improperly.
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Old 04-10-2017, 03:27 PM   #23
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I know the trust issue well. I had a few issues with Sig checkmate mags years ago and will never trust any Sig mag that's not "made in Italy" for defense. I would personally trust that M11 though. (if your mags are Italian) lol. As others have said, nothing mechanical is ever 100%. I'm generally a 300 to 400 flawless round guy, as far as a new gun goes. 1000 flawless after a problem, I would personally trust it. You asked brother, so that's my input. Case in point, I'm out on the road right now for work and my new (300 rounds in) P225A1 is with me.
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Old 04-10-2017, 04:16 PM   #24
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I know the trust issue well. I had a few issues with Sig checkmate mags years ago and will never trust any Sig mag that's not "made in Italy" for defense. I would personally trust that M11 though. (if your mags are Italian) lol. As others have said, nothing mechanical is ever 100%. I'm generally a 300 to 400 flawless round guy, as far as a new gun goes. 1000 flawless after a problem, I would personally trust it. You asked brother, so that's my input. Case in point, I'm out on the road right now for work and my new (300 rounds in) P225A1 is with me.
What holster have you got there?
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Old 04-10-2017, 04:43 PM   #25
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What holster have you got there?
High Noon / upper cut model. I've been using High Noon for years but always the Sky High for OWB. This is the first upper cut I've tried and it's impressive for $30 bucks! Plus I got it with a 35% off special they were running two weeks ago so it was 19.95$ plus like 6$ shipping. Sign up for their emails they run specials all the time. "april25" is current code for 25% off anything. Till Wednesday.
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An original part failed, not the gun. This was proven by the replacement part working reliably since installed.

It's funny how gun owners replace parts all the time and continue to trust the gun's reliability. What's the difference between replacing to an upgrade part? Upgrading an non-functioning part to a functional part is essentially the same as upgrading an original, reliable part for a high performance part.

I've had parts fail on guns and had them fixed. If it's a good gun, and the M11-A1 is, then worrying over it is very unproductive. You solved (ended) the problem, don't over-think it now. Shoot it, carry it and have fun with it!
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:13 PM   #27
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Per your own words, you still have doubts about it: "I like this pistol, a lot, but don't think I'll ever bet my life on it."

Do not talk yourself into carrying it! Those doubts will stay in the back of your mind.

I suggest (as others have) that you do any of the following:
1) continue to shoot it until you no longer have ANY doubts, then carry it
2) use it only for a range gun
3) sell it and buy another M11-A1 if you really want that pistol in your rotation.
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Old 04-10-2017, 07:21 PM   #28
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It's my understanding there was never a diagnosis regarding the failures to fire (FTF).

The original problem occurred, then disappeared, and hasn't returned for 1,000 rounds.

I understand this "not knowing" of whether a FTF could reoccur at any moment or never, can make one not trust a specific firearm. If this SIG was mine, I'd feel more comfortable if I personally disassembled the firearm, probably just the slide, to ensure there was no debris in the firing pin channel, and examining the relevant parts for wear or burrs.

Otherwise, there was never an answer regarding what ammo was used on these original FTFs.
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The failures I described earlier happened with every magazine and with several different brands of ammo.

I shoot Blazer Brass, Estate, S & B, Federal, American Eagle, etc. without incident in 5 other SIGs. 9mm, 45 ACP & 40 SW.

The pistol is one of my favorites at the range, the other is a 226 9mm.

There is no need for me to carry this pistol. Familiar shape, size and weight like my 229. I have a proven 229 and 239 than have been completely reliable since I got them.

I have no intention of selling or trading it, I have developed a fondness for it in the last 1K rounds.

Thanks for the input folks, it made for a great read.
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I do CCW an M11A1D sometimes, and I would be fine with yours. The bad Extractor, that happens sometimes. I'm more interested in the 2nd malfunction...any additional details on that? My thought was that Sig might have accidentally done something while investigating the Extractor issue, and it didn't reveal itself until you used it.

The not firing in DA/SA...was the trigger stuck, did the Hammer lock back and drop, did the firing pin move? Could have just been a little hangup and the gun was really OK. I try to practice with Speer Lawman and only Carry with Speer Dot in this one.

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