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Old 04-18-2017, 06:25 AM   #46
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The last time I checked, and according to the internet movie database, Walker carried a Taurus PT92.
"The problem with internet quotes is that you cant always depend on their accuracy" -Abraham Lincoln, 1864

He carried a revolver too and he carried cross draw.
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I could not agree more with this! The notion that "No other gun design has been carried as much, as long, is as battle proven and worked as well as the 1911. I think over 100 years is pretty much a decent amount of time for it to have proven itself" is pure legend and lore. Many who had to use the 1911 hated it. They complained about it for years. Yes, it is the most cloned pistol ever, but it is no more reliable than any other quality modern pistol, and in many cases, not as reliable. They're not practical carry guns. Sure, many carry them swearing they'd never carry anything else, which is fine...to each their own, but to state no other gun design has been carried as much, as long or is as battle proven is simply myopic at best, if not completely biased.

The truth is the guns have been inherently unreliable over the years. Yeah, I know there's always someone who will defend the gun with their life, but there are always more who will tell you that they've had problems with their vaunted 1911s. Of course, 1911 enthusiast will fight you to the death over the fact that a malfunction of their 1911 is simply a glitch or easily worked out with a twist of a tinker rod of some type, but the fact is they're finicky, and any gun that one has to buy and immediately make all sorts of changes to it before it's "just right" is not a gun I want to carry. I've never had a problem with one myself, except one.
I could have left out 'worked as well' maybe .
But if you start with WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and now the USMC carries them I still think there is no other pistol design that has seen more combat and spent more time proving itself on the battlefield. I'm not a 1911 purist and I don't put it above other designs. I've got guns of all makes and only currently carry one.
But if you can tell me which pistol design has served in as many theaters as the 1911 I'd like to know?
And you don't have to tweak them to make them just right or run properly. That is the lore. Many run fine right out of the box. It just happens to be one of the most modifiable guns out there and people get the idea they have to change this or tweak that before ever shooting it.

Seems to be what these guys chose and still use...


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Hey all!

Thanks for all your inputs! I just got back in town to read everything. I will eventually own both these firearms, but the real decision as to which one first will be a tough one. Right now I carry my Glock 19 whenever it's applicable, as I have done countless hours of training with it. This next Gun will mainly be an occasional carry and more of a range toy.

I just need to find a range in my area that has both firearms to compare them together, and see which feels better.

However, since I can probably get more information from you guys the trying to decipher all the specs online, I have one last comparison question about the 226's. I hear a lot of people recommending the Legion... I was looking at the 226 MK-25-D... Big similarities and differences between the two?


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"The problem with internet quotes is that you cant always depend on their accuracy" -Abraham Lincoln, 1864

He carried a revolver too and he carried cross draw.
At first, you're right. I think that stemmed from his time as Lone Wolf McQuaid. I also saw him carry the venerable Taurus PT945 for a stint as well.
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Why you like p227, but not the p226?

Should've been more specific. I like carrying the P227 SAS Gen 2 Carry. I love the P226, but not for concealed carry.
I carry a 226 year round, tho concealed carry means a sport coat,
vest or untucked Hawaiian shirt, at the minimum. I'm not crazy about my shirts untucked, but have made that one concession when there are no other options. It is a chunk of iron to haul around, I've found two mags on the off side kind of balances things out a little. The untucked Hawaiian shirt probably SCREAMS gun about as much as a Sneaky Pete!

Never looked at or held a 227, guess I should.

I'm weird, I like a collar and a pocket. Don't wear T shirts, and don't even own a sweat shirt.
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I could have left out 'worked as well' maybe .
But if you start with WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and now the USMC carries them I still think there is no other pistol design that has seen more combat and spent more time proving itself on the battlefield. I'm not a 1911 purist and I don't put it above other designs. I've got guns of all makes and only currently carry one.
But if you can tell me which pistol design has served in as many theaters as the 1911 I'd like to know?
And you don't have to tweak them to make them just right or run properly. That is the lore. Many run fine right out of the box. It just happens to be one of the most modifiable guns out there and people get the idea they have to change this or tweak that before ever shooting it.

Seems to be what these guys chose and still use...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp5pToY6nYo&sns=em

Ps...this video just makes me proud to be an American.
Well, for starters, the CZ75 is one of the most popular guns in the world, and it has served all across the world. I don't know if it has become as popular as the 1911, but it has been listed as the most popular 9mm pistol for some time now. It is also reported as being the 2nd most cloned gun ever, right behind the 1911, and it is still in service around the world today, so I think it may give the 1911 a run for its money here.

Let there be no doubt the 1911 is as relevant as it has ever been, but wrt to having to be tweaked, granted not all have to be, but I would challenge you to find a diehard 1911 enthusiast who has not tweaked their gun, or who will not tell you that these changes have to be made in order for it to be suitable for them. Personally, I've never made a single modification to any 1911 I owned, and I've owned at least half a dozen different models from Colt, to SA, to Kimber over the years. They've all run good for me, except one, which was a SA Officer Model with a 3.5" barrel. It caused me considerable heartache, but outside that one all my 1911s have been flawless; however, there is a reason the US Military eventually went away from them, instead of just ordering newer models, and there is a reason the MARSOC dumped the vaunted CQBP for the Glock 19. They're just inherently unreliable in certain environments.

For a single operator or a small group they can run ok, but I think even the FBI HRT team is in the process of replacing their 1911s for another, more modern pistol. Not sure, but I think they're going with HKs. I think for the average EDCer a modern 1911 will do fine! But when you get into the theater of sand, muck and mud you're better served with a less expensive and more reliable pistol.
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Many of the changes occurring with issued sidearms is mostly generational. The move towards polymer and striker-fired is taking preference over hammer-fired steel.
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No, what was silly to the point of absurd is that anyone would state they could argue that a "hipoint>1911". THAT is just silly.
What's really absurd is a 200$ junk pot metal gun that runs on all sorts of ammo, and my 1000$ 1911 that runs on specific ammo, when it feels like it. I supposed hi point was an extreme choice, maybe taurus

For the record I am not a hi point supporter, unless you need a tent stake driver lol
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Well, for starters, the CZ75 is one of the most popular guns in the world, and it has served all across the world. I don't know if it has become as popular as the 1911, but it has been listed as the most popular 9mm pistol for some time now. It is also reported as being the 2nd most cloned gun ever, right behind the 1911, and it is still in service around the world today, so I think it may give the 1911 a run for its money here.
I still don't think either the 1911 or CZ75 hold a candle in terms of war use to the BHP. In use since 1935 and standard issue for the militaries of over 50 countries. The 1911 and CZ don't come close to that track record. The BHP is for pistols what the FAL is for rifles...the right arm of the free world. People who talk about M16's and 1911's need to keep in mind that outside the US, our firearms are not king...nor are we the biggest contributors to wars around the world.
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I still don't think either the 1911 or CZ75 hold a candle in terms of war use to the BHP. In use since 1935 and standard issue for the militaries of over 50 countries. The 1911 and CZ don't come close to that track record. The BHP is for pistols what the FAL is for rifles. The right arm of the free world. People who talk about M16's and 1911's need to keep in mind that outside the US, our firearms are not king...nor are we the biggest contributors to wars around the world.
But we are good at starting them.
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But we are good at starting them.
And finishing them, ask Japan.
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Ps...this video just makes me proud to be an American.
Those new shirts are the bomb! I have a couple for use under my rifle plates, and they are fantastic for warm weather motorcycle riding...the soft t-shirt material is breathable behind the windshield and the arms are a thicker material for bugs and gravel outside the bubble of windshield protection.
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I still don't think either the 1911 or CZ75 hold a candle in terms of war use to the BHP. In use since 1935 and standard issue for the militaries of over 50 countries. The 1911 and CZ don't come close to that track record. The BHP is for pistols what the FAL is for rifles...the right arm of the free world. People who talk about M16's and 1911's need to keep in mind that outside the US, our firearms are not king...nor are we the biggest contributors to wars around the world.
Agreed. Next to the P226 the BHP is my favorite pistol...and truth be told, I give the nod to the 226 only b/c it is a DA/SA pistol where as the BHP, as you well know, is SA. Still, though, nothing feels as good in the hand as a BHP, and there simply isn't a "better" looking pistol, IMO. I would say the BHP and AK47 are the most widely used firearms in the history of the world. At least in the last 100 years anyway.
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And finishing them, ask Japan.
and then south east Asia/mid east happened....
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And finishing them, ask Japan.
The irony is that now we're the leaders in mandating no one can use nuclear weapons.
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