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Old 04-28-2017, 08:08 AM   #46
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I don't know enough about the legion as I've stated I don't want one. But I do have a question. Is the legion frame hard anodized under the coating? It seems like some have gone straight past the legion coating to exposed aluminum with wear on the rails. My cerakote MK25 is hard anodized under the cerakote.
The short answer is, yes, the frame is hard anodized.

The longer answer is one has to understand the way metal is used in the frames. Aluminum is a much softer metal than steel, if the rails were worn down to aluminum, they would become useless very quickly. Hard anodization makes the frame surface very hard, similar to steel hardness. Hard anodizing looks just like aluminum unless it has been dyed. Even when dyed, the color does not permeate all the way through the anodization, but only the top porous layer. If the top colored layer were worn away, one would have to use an ohm meter to see that the anodized layer is still there (anodized aluminum is a glass, an insulator). My guess is that people who reported wear down to aluminum don't know what they are talking about. The steel slide will wear the anodization over time, which is why the the rails will not last indefinitely, but if one uses grease as a layer between slide and rails, that time may be quite long. Of course the rest of the frame is anodized along with the rails and then coats it with gray Physical Vapor Deposition of whatever metal they use.
Sig also touts the Legion gray PVD as durable, which it is not, but what makes it worse is the color mismatch between the dye used in the anodization and the color of the PVD, making it very obvious how much wear happened. With the normal Nitron, both are black, so can't see wear as much.
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Old 04-28-2017, 08:47 AM   #47
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The short answer is, yes, the frame is hard anodized.

The longer answer is one has to understand the way metal is used in the frames. Aluminum is a much softer metal than steel, if the rails were worn down to aluminum, they would become useless very quickly. Hard anodization makes the frame surface very hard, similar to steel hardness. Hard anodizing looks just like aluminum unless it has been dyed. Even when dyed, the color does not permeate all the way through the anodization, but only the top porous layer. If the top colored layer were worn away, one would have to use an ohm meter to see that the anodized layer is still there (anodized aluminum is a glass, an insulator). My guess is that people who reported wear down to aluminum don't know what they are talking about. The steel slide will wear the anodization over time, which is why the the rails will not last indefinitely, but if one uses grease as a layer between slide and rails, that time may be quite long. Of course the rest of the frame is anodized along with the rails and then coats it with gray Physical Vapor Deposition of whatever metal they use.
Sig also touts the Legion gray PVD as durable, which it is not, but what makes it worse is the color mismatch between the dye used in the anodization and the color of the PVD, making it very obvious how much wear happened. With the normal Nitron, both are black, so can't see wear as much.
I was wondering if anyone was going to answer my question. I figured it was hard anodized but with some of the reporting going on I was not completely sure. Thank you so very much for the answer!!!!
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Here's an update:

I got to thinking about my three 9mm SIG's and my one and only SIG in .357 SIG...and I realized it was lonely. So I called the SIG Academy Pro Shop to see what they had in stock, and a P226 Legion in .357 SIG is now on it's way. Sort of an impulse decision, but sort of not...

I've got to say, I'm quite excited to see a Legion in person. No gun stores in my area have ever had one in stock (don't know if they are on the CA drop list or not). The more I thought about the Mk 25 (which I'll likely get down the road), the more I realized its just an all black version of my Combat, so why not try something a little different.

Now for the real question...where do I learn the secret handshake?
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Here's an update:

I got to thinking about my three 9mm SIG's and my one and only SIG in .357 SIG...and I realized it was lonely. So I called the SIG Academy Pro Shop to see what they had in stock, and a P226 Legion in .357 SIG is now on it's way. Sort of an impulse decision, but sort of not...

I've got to say, I'm quite excited to see a Legion in person. No gun stores in my area have ever had one in stock (don't know if they are on the CA drop list or not). The more I thought about the Mk 25 (which I'll likely get down the road), the more I realized its just an all black version of my Combat, so why not try something a little different.

Now for the real question...where do I learn the secret handshake?

None of the Legions are on the Roster so unless you perform an exempt transfer, you won't be getting one.



Side note on the items that you can't easily replicate on the Legion, besides the undercut, the Legion also has the shortened beavertail seen on certain special models like the P227 tacops.

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None of the Legions are on the Roster so unless you perform an exempt transfer, you won't be getting one.


I said I have one on the way, so from that you can infer that I'm exempt.

But I do appreciate the info about Legions being off-roster guns, thanks for the head's up.
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Congrats on the Legion.

Now, that said- I would have opened this up to more than just a decision between the MK25 and the Legion. The P226 Elite Stainless is the adult in the room. Such a soft shooter with the stainless steel frame and slide. So beautiful. I open carry mine from time to time in a nice leather OWB holster, and I'm sure it causes some drooling. Anyway, just gives you an excuse for another 226 lol
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Congrats on the Legion.

Now, that said- I would have opened this up to more than just a decision between the MK25 and the Legion. The P226 Elite Stainless is the adult in the room. Such a soft shooter with the stainless steel frame and slide. So beautiful. I open carry mine from time to time in a nice leather OWB holster, and I'm sure it causes some drooling. Anyway, just gives you an excuse for another 226 lol
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Congrats on the Legion.

Now, that said- I would have opened this up to more than just a decision between the MK25 and the Legion. The P226 Elite Stainless is the adult in the room. Such a soft shooter with the stainless steel frame and slide. So beautiful. I open carry mine from time to time in a nice leather OWB holster, and I'm sure it causes some drooling. Anyway, just gives you an excuse for another 226 lol
The steel framed pistols are gorgeous to look at, and will probably outlast the alloy framed guns by a bit, but they are just too heavy for me to consider. I used to carry a 1911, and briefly a 686. For me, alloy frames are the perfect medium. They are light to carry and yet still feel "metal" as opposed to the plastic frames. Even though this pistol is primarily for collection, I wouldn't be opposed to carrying it every now and then, and I'd be more comfortable doing that with an alloy frame.
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I said I have one on the way, so from that you can infer that I'm exempt.

But I do appreciate the info about Legions being off-roster guns, thanks for the head's up.
Thanks for your service Jedi and no offense but that's another fine example of government telling the people "it's ok for us but not for you".
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The steel framed pistols are gorgeous to look at, and will probably outlast the alloy framed guns by a bit, but they are just too heavy for me to consider. I used to carry a 1911, and briefly a 686. For me, alloy frames are the perfect medium. They are light to carry and yet still feel "metal" as opposed to the plastic frames. Even though this pistol is primarily for collection, I wouldn't be opposed to carrying it every now and then, and I'd be more comfortable doing that with an alloy frame.
Makes sense. Just don't make the mistake of holding a stainless elite from this point, or that logic might be thrown out the window
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Thanks for your service Jedi and no offense but that's another fine example of government telling the people "it's ok for us but not for you".
No offense taken, I'm in complete agreement with you. That's the reason that in the past when I've sold off-roster pistols to other CA gun enthusiasts, I refuse to mark up the price. I cant control the silly laws, but I'd feel unethical profiting because of them.
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I chose the Mk25 and basically "legion'd it". I have the GGI trigger, G10 grips, SRT, low profile slide lever, fully polished internals and XRay sights.
I did all the upgrades prior to the Legion's arrival, minus the sights, but if I hadn't gone XRay when they became available I'd have put Trijicon HD on. I still might with the HD XR series.

I prefer the short extractor and true 1913 rail. I'd have liked the trigger undercut, but would rather have the short extractor.
Hi jwperry, I'm just wondering how your legionized MK25 shoots side by side with the Legion? It sounds like an excellent option for those that don't want the beaver tail nor the PVD coating.
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Hi jwperry, I'm just wondering how your legionized MK25 shoots side by side with the Legion? It sounds like an excellent option for those that don't want the beaver tail nor the PVD coating.
I've only shot 2 Legions, both DA/SA 9mm, and I found no discernable difference between the 2. In my hands, they were equally as accurate and I was a tad bit faster on the shot timer with my Mk25, but I suspect that is because the trigger was better. The Legion's have the right parts, but the potential isn't being unlocked without a good polishing.
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I said I have one on the way, so from that you can infer that I'm exempt.

But I do appreciate the info about Legions being off-roster guns, thanks for the head's up.
Great choice......that's gonna be a sweet performing powerhouse.


A couple months back I was bitten by the Sigfever bug. Most of my handguns are 1911's.

I wanted a DA/SA for both home defense and for carry.

I went to a local store that maintains a super inventory of really nice guns. Same place I went when making decisions on a nice shotgun. They had all the top choices to play with.

Same thing on Sigs. They had the exact two models I was interested in: 9mm TacOps and 9mm Legion P226. They also had a Legion P229.



I ultimately went with the TacOps but I really liked the Legion guns, too. The X-Ray sights are super, grips are too my liking and the the undercut trigger guard works well for me. I was not really impressed with the finish on the P226 Legion I looked at as there were light coverage spots on the rail cross slots and it was a lighter shade than the P229 Legion. The coverage on the P229 seemed fine.

I preferred the larger controls of the non-Legion guns, but that's an easy swap out if so desired so I didn't get hung up on that.

I like what they've done with the Legion series and the GG enhanced SRT on them is very much to my liking.

I think you'll be grinning with this one.
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I said I have one on the way, so from that you can infer that I'm exempt.

But I do appreciate the info about Legions being off-roster guns, thanks for the head's up.

Here I thought that "5150" was your call sign and not H&S 5150.

Stay safe, brotha.

PC32000 got updated to allow the rest of the blues to buy, but under a "lesser" classification. I've thoroughly read and as far as I can tell, the "new" class may purchase, but not PPT pistols purchased under that exemption to non-exempt.

It's totally ridiculous because many of these classes have undergone full POST RBC's while some in the "old" class barely have the minimum PC832 requirements. To make it even more silly, FLEO's have more rights in CA than the "new" class.
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