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|03-07-2012, 07:50 AM||#47|
Join Date: Jan 2012
|03-08-2012, 04:42 PM||#48|
The verdict is still out
Here it is...
I picked up my replacement P-290 late Thursday afternoon. I have to say I was pleased when I opened the case. It looked sparkling new and I was surprised that all the current accessories were included that my early model didn't have. In a dark room the nite sights were bright dots like kryptonite. I ran a cotton swab thru the barrel, checked for any obvious anomalies in the action and applied some Tetra grease to the slide contact surfaces. I grabbed a box of Greek Olympic 124gr and headed out to the gravel pit before it got dark.
This was purely a function check off hand, so accuracy was not attempted but at 7 yds they were nicely grouped in the center 5" of the target.
Unfortunately I had 8 FTF in 25 rounds. 2 the very first magazine, 3 the second mag and 1 the third. All FTF except one fired on the second strike, that one took three attempts before it fired. I then fired two mags as fast as I could with no issues.
Now before you condemn the ammo, I had bought 500 rounds a few years ago. I have fire 350 rounds of it without any FTF in my other 9mm's. This is the ammo the first sig choked on too and the primer indents do look different from any other ammo I have fired thru the earlier Sig, so it is possible that these have harder than normal primers. I won't throw in the towel just yet and will continue to test with a variety of ammo. If however I get to 200 rounds and am still having FTF, especially with US ammo, its going back.
This gun was born on 2-27-2012 (huh, my brothers birthday - gotta keep it outta his sight), so I assume it has all the latest improvements. I can't imagine what would be causing the FTF unless it just needs a little break-in shooting. Thats what I'm hoping it is but only time and rounds down range will tell. I'll update when I get a chance to spend some time at the range.
Last edited by SyberSig; 03-08-2012 at 06:22 PM.
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|03-08-2012, 06:08 PM||#49|
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: St. Louis, MO
Keep us posted, wife runs federal through hers with no problems. I have yet to send it back for the front night sight problem. I want to run another 100rds or so thru it to check for any more issues like you suggested before I send it back. Did they send you a laser also for your trouble?
|03-08-2012, 06:37 PM||#50|
My first one had a laser and this one does too. I don't know if I will mount it just yet as I haven't seen an IWB holster I like for use with the laser. I have a laser on my Kimber Ultra Carry and on my 642 J frame and do I like them, so I will probably put it on the Sig once I find the right CCW holster.
I usually don't buy cheap ammo like White Box or Tula or many of the others although if its available I'll include it in my testing. These days however with the spike in ammo costs it is tempting to use cheap ammo for break-in. Although cheap ammo may be dirty and it may not feed well in some guns, that is not the issue here. I don't think the primers in cheap ammo are much different than what you will find in a variety of premium and mil-surp ammo, as far as the ability to go bang goes. Light strikes are the issue at this point in time.
I really want to like this gun, it feels good in the hand, it point good, it has a nice trigger, it's very accurate for its size, overall it is a very nice piece. This FTF issue may be break-in pains, I think it will eventually work out fine. Sig has been great about taking the first one back and working with me to resolve my issues.
Last edited by SyberSig; 03-08-2012 at 06:50 PM.
|03-10-2012, 10:28 AM||#51|
Drum roll please....
I figure its time to bring this thread to a close, on a good note
I spent yesterday shooting the P-290 with a variety of ammo and comparison chrongraphing against my S&W 5906 and my Kahr CM9. I shot 16 different kinds of ammo including (1) 90gr XTP, (5) 115gr, (8) 124gr and (2) 147gr. Some of the specifics included Federal 124 HST, Speer 124 Gold Dot, 147gr Win.SXT and the usual Federal Champion, American Eagle, Blazer Brass, Remington, Wolf and my favorite Olympic ammo. (notice the sarcasm)
I typically use a 6 o'clock hold (I like to see what I'm shooting at) and most of the ammo was right on center while some was 3" high at 10 yds.
Unlike my initial out of the box test yesterday, I did not have one single failure or glitch of any kind with any of the ammo. None, Nada, Zilch... I think I am starting to be happy and not worry and if I continue to have these kinds of results, then all is forgiven and I will get a Sig T-shirt and become a fanboy after all.
For comparison, the 124gr Federal HST was running 1090 fps, the 124gr Speer Gold Dots averaged 1111fps, 147gr Ranger SXT was 884fps and the 115gr XTP's were cooking along at 1246 fps from this 3" bbl. Not too shabby. Although most cases were ejected 4' to 6' at 4pm, the Speer were landing 10' away indicating they have a bit more of a recoil pulse.
If anyone is interested, the 124gr Olympic ammo that I was having all of the light strike issues with gave absolutely no problems, was one of the most accurate and had an extreme spread around 20. I shot a full box of it in the Sig to see if it would fail.
While shooting I did notice that this one's trigger seems to have a staging point very similar to my J frame. It wasn't quite as smooth and crisp as I remembered the previous one to be. Sometimes it seemed like the old one but at other times I could bring it right up to a noticeable resistance point then hold it until ready to apply the slightly extra pressure required to fire. This too may smooth out with use, in time.
Interestingly, I compared the chrono results against the Kahr (since these models are competitors, mano y mano ) and you will be happy to hear that in every case the Sig was 25 to 50 fps faster than the Kahr shooting the same ammo. When I got home I checked the nite sights and they were still working so cross my fingers these will hold up for many years.
Sig made it right and now I'm Happy
|05-02-2012, 06:20 AM||#53|
Join Date: May 2012
Sigs. I have three of them: P239-9mm, 226-9 and a 226-.357. I have always had good service from sigs. No failures or firing issues. I have sent other firearms back for being ding out of the box. A new firearm should be perfect. That is why you buy new. I was thinking about a new sig. 290 for concealed carry; however, I now will check the LC-9 out for a lot less money.
|05-02-2012, 06:46 AM||#54|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southeastern U.S.
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I've had great results with the Sig's customer services. Having said that, I understand why you are upset, I would be also. But echoing what has been said, I wouldn't give up on the Sig over something like this. Good luck!
|05-02-2012, 04:55 PM||#56|
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Palm desert CA
Sig customer service
My two cents.
Recently sent my 21 year old 226 for new grips, sights, sonic cleaning, replacement of all small parts and springs. Got the gun back b4 it was expected. Truly happy,I had what appeared to be a new gun except the barrel.
Have run about 400 rounds of UMC from it was great to shoot and very smoothe and accurate.
Couldn't be happier with the finished product, pricing, and service... So much so that I went out and bought a new Sig. I pick it up tomorrow.
It's all about having fun.
Great forum, great information and lots of diverse opinion... It all helps to make the sport so great.
Thanks for inviting me join... Some day this old geezer,might even learn,how to post photos
|05-02-2012, 05:43 PM||#57|
Join Date: Mar 2012
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A couple of thoughts.
1. I have the same gripe about having to slam the mags into the gun. In addition, if you slam it in, try pulling on the mag....you'll find that, in a good 50% of cases, you can pull it right back out. It doesn't catch.
2. "Olympic ammo from Greece....." I think we have to give Sig a pass on this one. If you're going to pay top money for a gun, don't put **** in it. If you can't afford quality ammo, you can't afford a quality gun (or one that should be a quality gun....)
3. My front sight is also dead. Sig refused to pay shipping again just for this (they have already had the gun back 2x) but are mailing me a sight to install on my own. Thanks...
|05-02-2012, 07:20 PM||#58|
Oh I don't know if it is really cheap ammo just because it isn't known mainstream these days. I think I bought a case of it back in 2001 and had a few boxes left. I sure wasn't gonna buy today's overpriced **** to test and break in a gun every time it came back from the factory. I also don't think the primers are any harder than CCI or NATO which the gun should be able handle anyway.
As far as the Olympic ammo goes, I have several chrono sessions with SD=15 or less and one out of the 290 with a SD of 6 ! The velocity is pretty consistent at 1045fps which is respectable for 124gr FMJ and the Extreme Spreads were in the 40 fps range or less. As far as accuracy goes I had a few 5 shot groups under 1" at 10yds, most were 1.5-2" which is still not bad. 10 shot groups were all under 3.75" at 10yds.
None of the usual brands came close to this consistency or accuracy. At the time I paid $7 a box for it so I guess it is cheap range fodder after all.
I don't have any MilSurp ammo to test but I will be looking for some the next show. My new 290 has already had 3 light strike failures with various ammo including one Remington brand. Not to mention another dead front sight. I refused to send the slide back and Sig mailed me a new sight. The next time I have a light strike, it then goes back with the bad primer included (oiled of course) and a demand for the re-strike feature. I'm really getting tired of this. I only wish the Shield were smaller.
|06-03-2012, 05:28 PM||#59|
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Saint Marys
SIG P290 with Laser Holster
First, I saw that you were not sure about the laser because of the holster. I found that a Uncle Mikes size 12 fits perfect and comfortable with the laser, its a cheap holster but as I said, it fits and was comfortable.
I picked up my SIG P290 a couple of days ago after much thought between it and the Kel Tec PF9. I ended up going with the SIG with the laser because to get the laser I wanted for the Kel Tec it would have cost the same price and I have seen that most of the small pistols 9's have had problems but for the first day shooting it seems like I was lucky with mine. 100 rounds with no problems and my only complaint so far is how rough the grips are.
I definitely am looking for any of the problems you have posted, but keeping my fingers crossed. Glad it has worked out in the end for you.
|06-04-2012, 05:59 PM||#60|
Went dancing in the desert again this weekend, took 6 different brands of ammo including S&B and Fiocchi to test the hardness of their primers with the 290. Everything went bang first time so I can't cry wee, wee, wee, all the way home yet. Also got a 9mm barrel for my M&P40c and gave it a spin around the cactus.
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