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Old 07-06-2017, 04:44 PM   #46
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Weapons confiscated by the police rarely return to their rightful owner. That said, the #1 priority for me in an EDC weapon is reliability, followed closely by shootability, and concealability. My EDCs currently are a Walther PPS and a Walther P99AS. My new SIG is currently undergoing field trials in order to qualify as an EDC weapon. Cost isn't on my list, other than I won't own a weapon that is too expensive to actually use.
Your first statement is not true in many parts of the country. Maybe where you live they enjoy keeping property that is not theirs? Here it's promptly returned if it's even taken.
That said I don't care about the value of the gun I carry or worry about it being taken. It's a $3,000 1911. It works and I'm good with it.
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:24 PM   #47
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Carry vs Loss

My EDC is a P239 for most of the year. When I am traveling through MA, CT, NY and NJ on the way to free states, I follow FOPA and pack a P290. The P290 is also my EDC when paddling because I don't want to lose the P239 in a capsize. I am equally proficient with both at bad breath distances. I weigh the odds of loss, and while I would hate to loose either, the odds of loss are greater when traveling or paddling as opposed to walking around town.
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Your first statement is not true in many parts of the country. Maybe where you live they enjoy keeping property that is not theirs? Here it's promptly returned if it's even taken.
That said I don't care about the value of the gun I carry or worry about it being taken. It's a $3,000 1911. It works and I'm good with it.
Perhaps. I've been told otherwise by friends in various locations around the country. NE, Pacific NW, SE. I've experienced what I wrote about personally in a Southeastern major metropolitan city and was point blank told that it would take a damn good lawyer to reacquire my property and that doing so would cost me a lot more than the replacement cost of the weapon. The uniformed thug that told me so did so with a grin on his smug face. As best I can determine, the weapon was destroyed in a public spectacle involving multiple politicians and grinning uniformed senior officers of that department some months later along with hundreds of other weapons.
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:43 PM   #49
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I value this forum for the sharing of a wealth of knowledge from its members. I don't ask a question to merely ignore what others have to share in response. I ask questions to expand my knowledge and to encourage discussion and possibly allow others to read and learn something themselves. Sometimes I ask a question rhetorically to see what others thoughts are. This is a forum after all.

So I know tone doesn't come across well in text vs speech. The shield is a good shooting, accurate, reliable, easy to operate and maintain gun all in a very lightweight compact package. It checks off many of your alls requisites for a good carry gun other than being lightweight and compact. It just happens to be very affordable. I ask myself, "why wouldn't I carry this pistol instead of my sigs?" It is again, a very good gun but I choose to carry others. When I purchased the shield I did carry it and took it to the range and shot it extensively I don't recall any malfunctions after more than 500 rounds through it. For no good reason it just went into the safe and I started carrying the p238. That is a outstanding firearm in my opinion. Then that went into the safe and the p239 came into rotation. Needless to say, the shield hasn't seen its holster in a long long time.

The last new gun I purchased was a p226 legion SAO. That's a range gun. All of my others have been well weathered used guns. All have holster wear and silver spotted rails but still shoot great. They werent extraordinarily expensive but also were not cheap.

All that being said, i enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on this topic. Seems there's a concensus here in sigtalk.

Oh, and for some "street cred" with some of the old timers here. My first edc was a 1911.
As far as the Shield, I don't own one, but my point of post #44 was directly in relation to your shield. Just got my dad a Shield if that tells you anything.

You are right, tone is hard to read, but I hope you didn't read it that way because I read every comment and didn't see any attitude in the majority of the comments, maybe some passion for what some people consider their top tier.

If you look again, although many recommended Sig, there were lots of other comments regarding other handguns, if there was any consensus it was "don't let price be your guide, go with what works best for you."

As far as your question, it was fair and IMO deserves more than a rhetorical position and answer, maybe for your sake and for many others, especially and maybe most especially new shooters and those that are considering learning to defend themselves. I actually enjoyed reading the responses and the answers seemed fair and very well thought out. If you've been on other forums on the net, very few give you honest feedback without overflowing BS or an Ego trip.

If it makes you feel any better, although my join date is about a year old, I have only really been participating here more over the past few months and I don't know all of these folks and their personalities yet either. That makes a huge difference on how you perceive what someone writes in text responses. Unless you are on a blow hard forum, most members will keep one another in check unless it's really deserving, but there's always an *** in the crowd on every one. Lol I haven't noticed him yet so maybe it's me. Bwahahaha!

Anyway, carry what you shoot best and Carry On.

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Perhaps. I've been told otherwise by friends in various locations around the country. NE, Pacific NW, SE. I've experienced what I wrote about personally in a Southeastern major metropolitan city and was point blank told that it would take a damn good lawyer to reacquire my property and that doing so would cost me a lot more than the replacement cost of the weapon. The uniformed thug that told me so did so with a grin on his smug face. As best I can determine, the weapon was destroyed in a public spectacle involving multiple politicians and grinning uniformed senior officers of that department some months later along with hundreds of other weapons.
Sounds like it's time for you to move?
I know and associate with many sheriffs on a daily basis. Also know many people from alphabet agencies. IF they take your gun and IF your found not guilty or charges are dropped all you have to do is go to the police dept show proof of ownership in the form of the receipt the police gave you when they took it and collect your gun. You will NOT get any ammo back and that is understandable as they won't hand you live rounds in the police station. But I've personally collected guns taken from a relative who had them confiscated during a DUI and the lady was even nice enough to ask him when we were there if everything was ok with them. They were zip tied in individual boxes and in perfect condition six months later after he finshed the chores he had to do to become whole again.
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Wasp, I agree. All replies were read and I take them
All for what they are worth. Everyone has their own experiences and that's what I appreciate.
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I've also read this thread and found it quite interesting.

I've also come to realize how many of you carry the P239 and how popular it is. It reinforces my recent decision to acquire one. Along with its wonderful performance at the range for first-time shooting. I know I'll soon be carrying her regularly and confidently.

What had me scratching my head for an instant was another recent thread questioning the purpose of the P239's existence? Own one and you'll see why.
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I've also read this thread and found it quite interesting.

I've also come to realize how many of you carry the P239 and how popular it is. It reinforces my recent decision to acquire one. Along with its wonderful performance at the range for first-time shooting. I know I'll soon be carrying her regularly and confidently.

What had me scratching my head for an instant was another recent thread questioning the purpose of the P239's existence? Own one and you'll see why.

Questioning its existence! Pffft ... its a Sig, that is reason enough.

Listen, when it comes to EDC's you need to ask yourself two questions;

- What do I trust?
- What will I carry no matter what?

Forget brand and everything else, if you trust it, practice with it, and are comfortable carrying it (weight/size/etc wise) then you will begin to see it for what it is ... a tool ... not a statement of any sort.

I love my "specialty" guns. Just got that P226 Legion SAO and will adore it for range work. Would carry it but it does not fit into question 2 for me. Too big and heavy for my carry preference. Would I? Yes. Will I? No. I prefer my P320 for the work horse it is and the P225 for the size it is (much like those of you who prefer the P239). I just won't leave home without one of them.

The key, regardless, is ask yourself these two questions and then take what every you chose as an answer to the range a few times a month minimum.

I was out this last weekend practicing with my P320 and P225. Four guys were next to me and our targets were both at the same distance, about 15 yards. I got through my second round of mags and stepped back to collect brass. Two of the four were behind me watching. One of them said "Man you were threading the needle with those!" I thanked him and said it was the gun far more than it was me. That was when I noticed their target and the random nature of shots on it.

They were shooting rifles.....


...I was having a better than average day...
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Sounds like it's time for you to move?
I know and associate with many sheriffs on a daily basis. Also know many people from alphabet agencies. IF they take your gun and IF your found not guilty or charges are dropped all you have to do is go to the police dept show proof of ownership in the form of the receipt the police gave you when they took it and collect your gun. You will NOT get any ammo back and that is understandable as they won't hand you live rounds in the police station. But I've personally collected guns taken from a relative who had them confiscated during a DUI and the lady was even nice enough to ask him when we were there if everything was ok with them. They were zip tied in individual boxes and in perfect condition six months later after he finshed the chores he had to do to become whole again.
I committed no crime. A weapon was stolen from my locked vehicle and then recovered by the municipal PD. It was not used in the commission of a crime but was simply evidence that a convicted criminal was in the possession of a prohibited firearm. Despite all that I had the problems I have described. I am FAR from alone in this experience. I appreciate that there are honest LEOs, My problem is that when you encounter those who aren't, particularly when its politically motivated within the department, there is no recourse to the average citizen. Recall how many municipal PD chiefs have come out against concealed carry laws. They are the agents of their masters, not the citizens, but the municipal politicians that hire, fire, promote, and otherwise oversee the departments. That is why I live in an unincorporated part of my county. Still, one has to work and live and so one has to venture into territory controlled by municipal PDs. I've never had a problem with any Sheriff's office and actually provide training quarterly to my own county's SO. Municipal Police Departments are a completely different story in my experience.

Back to the OP's question - I still carry whatever weapon works best for me regardless of cost. Loosing that weapon, when I was less financially able to replace it, was a real hit for me but I continue to believe that carrying the right weapon is far better than carrying an easily replaced weapon. The stakes are too high to do otherwise.

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