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Old 05-07-2012, 05:58 AM   #1
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My Dream Team; The 3 "P's"

I've always been a car guy and thought that some day it would be fun to own/restore a classic something. As time marches on though this is seeming less likely to happen (time, money, age/health).

I've only been owning/shooting pistols for four months now but really enjoy it. My next acquisition will be an appropriate EDC; still studying options.

Lately though I've started to think about acquiring some vintage German pistols; a Walther P5, SIG P6, and H&K P7 (the 3 "P's"). Preferably 1980-90's production examples, worn finish but sound condition, low round count (police trade-ins). Something I could invest some sweat equity in reconditioning and maybe invest in a Duracoat or Ceracoat refinish (nothing flashy) to dress them up a bit.

I have a real appreciation for German design and craftsmanship and would enjoy studying these companies designs side by side in models intended to meet essentially the same requirement. I also enjoy working on things mechanical and pistols are less strenuous on my back than cars (and more fun than lawn mowers).

Some questions come to mind though. Is OEM support for these vintage models available (parts, tech data)? Is there aftermarket support? Are there certain models of each that are more/less desirable from an operational, not collectable, point of view?
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:11 AM   #2
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Good place to start for parts.

P5
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I would love to pick myself up one of these someday.
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Good place to start for parts.

I would love to pick myself up one of these someday.
Which one would you start with?
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Skip the whole duracoat/cerakote thing. Most of the time, duracoating/cerakoting a gun tends to reduce its value. A holster worn P6 will g fr $450 on Gunbroker, whereas a P6 that someone duracoated Coyote Tan barely fetched $340.

Conversely, hard-chrome, electroless nickel, and NP3 tend to actually add value to the guns. They also look sharp. Robar typically has a good reputation.
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Lately though I've started to think about acquiring some vintage German pistols; a Walther P5, SIG P6, and H&K P7 (the 3 "P's"). Preferably 1980-90's production examples,
There's a real nice P6 in the classifieds right now. And the guy selling it a really nice guy<G>

That's a nice list you have by the way.
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There's a real nice P6 in the classifieds right now. And the guy selling it a really nice guy<G>

That's a nice list you have by the way.
+1 for nice P6 in the classifieds and +1 for really nice guy! Unfortunately, the emphasis right now in on the DREAM in Dream Team. I will be watching the classifieds closely though.
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Skip the whole duracoat/cerakote thing. Most of the time, duracoating/cerakoting a gun tends to reduce its value. A holster worn P6 will g fr $450 on Gunbroker, whereas a P6 that someone duracoated Coyote Tan barely fetched $340.

Conversely, hard-chrome, electroless nickel, and NP3 tend to actually add value to the guns. They also look sharp. Robar typically has a good reputation.
Point taken on resale impact but at this point in my life I would look to go with what works for me and let the kids deal with resale price as they liquidate my estate.

I did, however, look at the Robar site. Nice options there; I could work with that.
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Which one would you start with?
I think it would be between the P6 and the P7 for me. I think I would have to go for the P7 first. I have never even held one before, but I have just really wanted one.
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Given my objective of studying alternate designs to a common requirement, I would agree that the P7 presents some very interesting design features; gas piston, squeeze cocking lever, striker fired to name a few. Prices run a bit higher it seems, possibly due to original mfg cost and limited production volumes.

Have to admit though that I do like the P5 look and lore. That slide profile (low and wide) just has a bad boy attitude to it. And then there is that whole 007 movie history.

As a side note, I've noticed some very armature looking import markings on some examples at auction. Wondering how much of that could be addressed with the refinishing.

Here's a question though (perhaps naieve), could one purchase all the individual parts (say from Numrich) and assemble one of these models from scratch? Haven't added up the parts cost to see if it would be cost effective.
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I'm sure it could be done, but im not sure how easy it would be. The frame would still need to be purchased and transferred, and your best bet to find one of these may be an internet auction site.

I know I have seen Sig, Glock and some other manufactures where people are selling just frames or slides. I do not know how easy it would be to find those items for say a P7 though.

If I remember correctly, there is currently 2 P7s at my LGS. I believe the one was priced much cheaper than the other. I believe around the $600 mark. I do not know enough about the firearm to understand why it was priced so much lower though. It did not look to be in bad shape after just a quick glance.
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