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Old 09-28-2014, 05:40 PM   #1
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P227 14 round mag FTF

I used these two mags for about the third time today. After every fourth round or so the slide locks back and fails to chamber a round. The cartridge usually is more nose-down in the mag and does not feed on its own. It will feed after the normal tap-rack drill. I know I am not limp-wristing because the 10 rounders work perfectly. I took these apart and cleaned them after using them last time and reloaded them, letting them sit for the last couple weeks to no avail. Has anybody else had this problem? Suggestions?
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:50 PM   #2
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Sounds like the spring isn't strong enough.
Maybe try some teflon dry lube on the inside of the magazine tubes and see if that improves things.

I have a couple of 14-rounders but haven't tried them yet.
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I've run through my 14 rounder twice with no issues
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I have three 14 round mags. All three worked 100% with FedAE230 ball, Fed 230 HST, and Speer GD230. Tried Hornady Critical Duty 220+P and had several ftfs per mag! The Hornady is a hot load! I won't use them in the 227 again. Would anyone here try the 220+P CD also in their 14rd mags to see if the results are any different? Had a similar problem with this load in my HKUSP45! I wonder if the soft rubber tips are dragging on the front of the mag body?
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are these usa made or mecgars?
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are these usa made or mecgars?
These are SIG branded Mecgars made in Italy.
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Are you riding the slide with your non-trigger hand, maybe a little?
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I have three 14 round mags. All three worked 100% with FedAE230 ball, Fed 230 HST, and Speer GD230. Tried Hornady Critical Duty 220+P and had several ftfs per mag! The Hornady is a hot load! I won't use them in the 227 again. Would anyone here try the 220+P CD also in their 14rd mags to see if the results are any different? Had a similar problem with this load in my HKUSP45! I wonder if the soft rubber tips are dragging on the front of the mag body?
Critical Defense/Duty both are known for causing feeding issues in different guns because of that soft polymer tip. I think generally 1911s with traditional non-ramped barrels have the most trouble but other non-1911s have issues. Not specific to any brand gun.
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Might also check to see if there is a piece of flashing or something on the followers that could be causing drag in the mag tubes. But it is sounding like weak springs.
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I have had one failure to feed with my P227 out of many hundreds of rounds. There was a 14 round magazine in it when it happened. I was in the middle of a steel shoot so I just racked and went on shooting and did not examine it closely.

I don't think I fully trust my 14 round mags yet. I need some more rounds through them first.

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Hi - I'm a SiG owner and logged in tonight after hearing about this thread in the hope that perhaps through comparing notes we can find what is (hopefully) a simple fix.

I recently received two 14 round magazines from a long-standing backorder. Took them to the range to try out with generic Federal ball ammo and my P227R and P227 Carry SAS. Both guns work great with the standard 10 round magazines, and have eaten any variety of ball or hollow point ammunition I've feed them.

They worked great in the 227R - no complaints and nothing much else to say there.

They had multiple FTF's (same nose dive described above, usually on the 3rd or 4th round in the magazine and continuing every round through the 8th or 9th) in the 227 Carry. On close inspection it appears that the front of the round is hanging on the front of the magazine itself before actually getting to the feed ramp.

The only thing I noticed at the range is that the magazine catch on the Carry doesn't seem to pull the magazine "up" quite as tightly as the one on the R. I'd noticed it some time ago but since it never seemed to have any effect on anything I wasn't concerned about it.

There also seem to be some very slight dimensional difference in the 14 and 10 round magazines - unloaded, the follower appears to extend out the top of the 14's farther than it does on the 10's. I haven't compared actual measurements between them yet.

That's what I have for now - and well met, all!
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mine did that a couple times. think it needs to be just broken in. I have polished my locking block and part of the frame so it should work fine in theory.

but if it noses again I will check it out
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Welcome to the forum, Sanford! Glad to see I am not the only one having this problem. Mine is a full size Equinox model, so unfortunately I do not have another P227 to compare it to. This happened with different types and makes of ammo, and I know I am not hitting the slide since my hands are not that big. May have to breakdown and just call SIG directly. I need some mag springs for ky P226 anyway.
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if you can take some pictures if it happens again.

I know the next time I go , I plan on bringing my camera
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I have the exact same issue with my 14-rounders (all 6 brand new mags), that I detailed over SIGforum. Nose diving jams with the middle rounds, but never the top rounds or the bottom rounds.
I agree with GBIA that it's the weak spring issue.
I have been in contact with SIG's Customer Service Supervisor Bill Larson, and have been offered mag exchange. But, at this point, I do not trust these 14-rounders. So, I asked him to exchange for the 10-rounders, as they have never given me any jams. I'd rather have a mag that works than one to be used as a doorstop.

I suggest you guys that have this issue to contact Bill Larson, (603) 610-3854. They need to know from end users. If it's really a widespread design problem, then they need to let Mec-Gar know to correct it.
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