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Old 06-03-2012, 10:34 AM   #1
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will E2 grip on MK25 improve accuracy? How much thinner are they?

So I'm not very accurate with my new P226 MK25 (my first pistol). My shots are all over with most of them hitting low left. I'm a right handed shooter. At first I thought that I needed to send my gun back to Sig as I've heard that their quality control is suffering and is not as good as it used to be, but I'm a little hesitant to do that since I am a relatively new pistol shooter and think that it could just be me. I've done numerous dry fire drills with snap caps and the sights don't move one bit. I've even loaded the 15 round magazine with 11 live rounds and 4 snap caps on top of the live rounds in order to give a more realistic weight to the gun as opposed to practicing with an empty mag. Don't worry, I don't cycle the slide and instead just cock the hammer each time, so the first snap cap is the only one that's being struck and the other 4 are just for safety measures.

I use the correct grip: no tea cupping, and I make a spot for the weak hand palm to come into the open side of the grip and wrap it around my strong hand, and I've watched numerous YouTube tutorials from Todd Jarrett and Max Michel so I know I'm doing this right.

For being a tall 6'4", I have medium to small sized hands and think that maybe I should get the E2 grips for my MK25, hoping that they would help me with better trigger and gun control and improve my accuracy. I think my MK25 has the new style mainspring and new style trigger bar so I don't think I would have to make any modifications other than what comes in the E2 grip package. Am I right in this assumption?

How much thinner are the E2 grips as opposed to the traditional grips? I've removed my traditional grips and looked at them and they seem pretty thin, so I'm not sure how much thinner the E2 grips could possibly be. But I've read from other P226 users that once they switched to the E2 grip that it was like a new gun for them and their accuracy improved, so I'm hoping the same result will apply to me.

Should I try my luck on the E2 grip kit?
Should I send the gun back to Sig?
Or do I just suck and need more practice?

I wish I had some of my paper targets from the range trips, that way I could post them for all to see and would make it easier to answer but unfortunately I don't.

Lastly, before anyone tries to make fun of me for getting an MK25 as my first handgun, I did not select it to be a wannabe Navy SEAL with the cool anchor on the side (I actually wish it did not have the anchor). I chose it because it came with 3 mags, night sights, and has better coated internals and I got a great deal on it, paying about the same price as the standard P226 model. And the first thing I did was remove the silly sticker (it chips off under normal wear and tear/holster movement anyway).

Also I'm new to the forum so, hi everyone!

Edit: I use sight picture #3 which I believe are combat sights, and I place the front sight dot directly on top of the bullseye.

Overall the gun is good. I've shot well over 2000 rounds and have not had a single malfunction, no FTF, no FTE, nothing. Every round that went in the gun fired on the first try, whether it was the WalMart Federal Champion, Winchester White Box, Tula, HST 124gr, and HST 147gr. I just wish it was more accurate.

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Old 06-03-2012, 11:02 AM   #2
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Of course changing grips will NOT improve the mechanical accuracy of your P226 but it could help you shoot better but IMO that is most likely not the problem.

Forget about sending your new P226 back to SIG as I can almost guarantee that there is nothing wrog with it unless it is malfunctioning for you. Have a couple other people who ideally are proficent with a handgun to get their take on it and see their results.

Since this your first handgun I strongly recommend that you practice and if possible get some training from a professional (even for one session) that can watch you and help you making the needed adjustments and demonstrate proper stance, grip, and trigger control. My guess is that you are having a problem with gripping the pistol correctly, proper trigger control, and possibly flinching. A common problem is that pistol shooters tighten the fingers in their strong hand when they pull the trigger causing shots to go to the left. Your trigger press needs to isolate the trigger finger from the rest of the fingers in your strong hand.

As a new pistol shooter I would also recommend that you buy or rent a .22 pistol to shoot to learn proper techniques and recoil control. SIG also makes .22 conversion kits for the P226. You will also most likely practice more with .22 LR ammo being so cheap.

If you have not seen the video below on propper grip it may help out.

Good luck.

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That is the exact grip that I have been using. I don't know any other shooters so I guess I will have to bother a stranger at the range and get their take on it. Thanks for the reply.
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Very informative video. Thanks for posting that!
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I had a .357sig conversion kit for my 226 that shot low and to the left with all the ammo I put through it.
I have shot pistol/rifle for years and thought something was wrong...But I put up with it for weeks assuming it was my learning curve.

I finally gave up and sent it back to Sig.

They changed the rear sight and barrel and it's now a hammer that shoots right where I aim it.

If you get to the point where you're not "improving" shot placement...call for a return ticket.

Mine now shoots sub MOA at 15 yards with good ammo...nice tight groups.
I don't think Sig USA proof fires their products anymore and may rely on most customers not shooting or not caring whether their gun is very accurate, imho...like so many other current gunmakers.
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That is the exact grip that I have been using. I don't know any other shooters so I guess I will have to bother a stranger at the range and get their take on it. Thanks for the reply.
Usually the gun range will have someone there that can check your pistol for you - just ask. You could also try shooting from a rest/sandbag but unless you have experience doing that it may show similar results.

If you happen to be in the West/North suburbs of Chicago let me know.

Hitting left is very common to right hand shooters and usually corrected with training and practice. Hitting low and to the left is often flinching. I often shoot a little to the left myself when I have not practiced in a while.


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I'm in the West suburbs and usually shoot at Article II in Lombard.

drshame, what did you have to do to send your gun to Sig? Do they charge you to correct the issues or is it all covered under warranty? How did you go about telling them that it needed fixing and them to oblige?
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I agree with Sigarms228. Try and shoot the gun off a rest first. Low left is very common with right handed shooters anticipating recoil. If when shooting off sandbags this still happens, then contact Sig. They will probably cover all shipping charges plus the cost of the repair is anything is wrong.
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i agree with sigarms228. But what would be more important are the groupings. if you are able to get tight groupings and they are always low left there could be a reason for that. maybe u should have a buddy give it a try or shoot lefty and see if the same thing happens.
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I'm in the West suburbs and usually shoot at Article II in Lombard.

drshame, what did you have to do to send your gun to Sig? Do they charge you to correct the issues or is it all covered under warranty? How did you go about telling them that it needed fixing and them to oblige?
I usually shoot at GAT guns in Dundee. Send me a PM if you want to meet there some weekend. I would love to try out your P226 and you could try mine to see what happens.
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Damn...GAT is pretty far from where I'm at (about an hour), otherwise I'd meet you there this weekend!
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Sigarms228, I tried sending you a PM but you have that feature disabled
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when i enlisted in the Navy i had never fired a gun before. of course i was a crappy shooter. they tried to get me to use the weaver stance. it doesn't work for me at all.. irregardless of the stance, the things the range master of my first ship said, were find a stance that's comfortable. after that, only the pad of your finger should be on the trigger.
take a breath, let it out slowly while squeezing. the bang should almost be a surprise.

I followed those three things and i can drill good groups. last time i shot my 1911, i had a 2 inch group at 15 yards. with my 229 the group was a line that was connected about three inches long. I have no doubt that if i need to defend hearth and home i can inflict grave bodily harm well in excess of any threat to myself or property
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