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Old 06-26-2012, 03:56 AM   #16
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I don't think there's any connection. The first P938s available for sale in my area were all Nightmares, so it's natural that Nightmare owners are going to be the first to have any direct experience.

Now that the other models are becoming available, the folks reporting problems are not all Nightmare owners. I personally know a Nightmare owner who has had no issues using his his P938 with the same ammo that caused my Extreme to FTE countless times.

The lack of Nightmare collateral on the website is a bit of a mystery, but I would imagine they didn't have the photos ready when they announced the P938. Also note that the website lists no P938 accessories even though some are available, and the photos don't show front slide serrations for any model. Again, I think this just shows Sig had a window of time to get the original photos and info posted and they're slow to update their site otherwise.

IMO, Sig is busy cranking these out in big numbers to meet demand, and tolerances on some of them are tighter than is ideal. I'll bet 99% of the problem guns cycle fine (even with 115gr Winchester white box) once they've sent enough rounds downrange.





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I'm starting to notice a patern with the nightmare on all the posts I am reading.
Plus I noticed sigs web site does not have the nightmare shown anymore.
The ports I have read about the extreme have all been good.
Just saying.

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Old 06-26-2012, 04:44 AM   #17
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I'm guessing that the 'Nightmare' was a decision management made to get the first batch of 938 orders out to distributors/shops that placed early orders at Shot Show. I never did see the 'nightmare' edition on the Sig website ever but was the only edition I saw discussed when the gun made it to the retail level. Heavens, I still dont see the 'nightmare' on the sig website.
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I'm guessing that the 'Nightmare' was a decision management made to get the first batch of 938 orders out to distributors/shops that placed early orders at Shot Show. I never did see the 'nightmare' edition on the Sig website ever but was the only edition I saw discussed when the gun made it to the retail level. Heavens, I still dont see the 'nightmare' on the sig website.
Yes the nightmare is a limited edition. Same with the nightmare 1911. If they come out with a rail 229 nightmare i'm on it like a shipwrecked sailor on a hooker
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:54 PM   #19
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Well I walked into a new gun range Saturday to test out the work I did with my 238, new trigger mostly. Guess what they had in stock. I didn't want to be a first adopter but I could not pass it up so I now own a p938 Extreme.
So first thing was a clean, oil and function check.. Check, all good.
Next 200 rounds, 180 of the federal American eagle and 20 of Hornady critacle duty.
From the federal I had 1 FTF and 4 FTE.
The trigger is more grainy then my one month old 238, even before I did any work to it.
Trigger also feels heavier than my 10lb SA pull on my p229 elite dark.
No work for the 938 until I know it runs like it should. I never had an issue with the 238 and it has 500+ rounds with multiple types of ammo.

So another cleaning tonight, and back to the range when I get some time to feed it another 200 or 300 rounds and see now it does. If I have any other issue it may go back to sig for some work.

Note: My 229 and 238 never had a single issue with any ammo.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:43 AM   #20
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So it did go back to sig.
Update after being sent back to SIG

Ok, mine went back and now was returned. Before it was experiencing about %15 FTE. It's now at %2.5 FTE rate, but these were all one type of ammo.

It now has over 500 rounds shot by me, and not sure how many sig shot.
I would say its working better now and would trust it to carry.

Ammo tested
Blazer brass 115gr - 26 rounds - 2 full 6 round mags and 2 full 7 rounds mags
Blaze brass 124gr - 26 rounds - 2 full 6 round mags and 2 full 7 rounds mags
Federal champion 115gr - 44 rounds - alternating mags
Blazer aluminum 115gr - 26 rounds - 2 full 6 round mags and 2 full 7 rounds mags
Winchester white box 115gr - 100 rounds -alternating mags with all.
Hornady Critical Duty 135gr - 26 rounds - 2 full 6 round mags and 2 full 7 rounds mags

Total rounds shot 248

Failures
5 FTE all Winchester White Box
1 FTF Blazer Aluminum
About round 150 I wiped off the feed ramp, then finished the last 14 federal and the rest of the Winchester White Box.

Final thoughts
I think I will stay away from Winchester White Box, besides I payed more for this then I usually do and don't normally use this ammo. I went out of my way to Walmart just to have this in the variety.

Sig said they only ran 50 rounds without failure, but it was returned not cleaned, and I have never seen the gun so dirty and with so many brass shavings in it.

I broke it down taking off the grips and striping the mags before testing, cleaned and re-oiled with my oil of choice "Tetra Gun".

I wish they included more notes so I could tell you what they really did.
They only said:
"inspected the gun"
"Adjusted trigger pull" - now sits about 5.5 to 6lb pull.
"Function checked and test fired 50 rounds with no malfunction" - by the dirt it looked like more than 50 rounds.

Since it works much better I'm guessing they did other things and not just what they listed.

Update 2: I figured out what was changed. I looked at a video I did before I sent it out and noticed the barrel had different ware. New barrel is on the right, and you will see it has less ware even after I put 248 round. The old barrel had about the same number of round before sending it out.
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Just shot my P938 on (12/5/2012) for the first time. I purchased the "Black Rubber Grip" version. That's what they call it on the Sig web site. No cool name for it. Here are the results.

9mm Rounds Fired = 115
66 @ 5 yds
35 @ 7 yds
14 @ 10 yds
Ammunition Used
Blazer 124 gr. aluminum FMJ
Blazer Brass 124 gr. FMJ
Herters Select Grade brass 115 gr. FMJ
American Eagle 124 gr. FMJ
Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ
PMC Bronze 115 gr. FMJ
TulAmmo 115 gr. FMJ
Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr. JHP

Experienced one Failure To Feed (FTF) on the fourth magazine after having shot about 23 initial rounds. I attribute this to me having marred the surface of the round casing when trying to load the magazine. The seven round magazine springs were extremely stiff for the first use. Getting the 7th round into the magazine was a challenge by hand, and I noticed that the round showed signs of the struggle. It was one of the PMC Bronze 115 gr. FMJ rounds. After that FTF I experienced no more issues including while using the cheap WalMart TulAmmo (granted I only fired about 10 rounds of the TulAmmo).
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:07 AM   #22
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I've now got 300 rds downrange on my 938 Extreme that I bought a week and a half ago. I've run 4 different kinds and weights of ammo thru it and have not had a single hiccup of any kind. Starting to wonder if types of lubrication might not make a difference with these 938's. I started using the Sig recommended Mil-Comm TW-25B grease on my 226 after I had a couple issues after purchase. Haven't had any more problems with it and continued the same practice on my 938.
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I wrote previously about mine but after 500 rds down range I deem it to be very reliable and very accurate. Sig re-did the the thing springs polices etc. Not without great pressure and it's now the way it should have been when QC'd and sent out!
Good luck, don't settle on shoddy or poor, low standards. Send it back with you list of issues.
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I've now got 300 rds downrange on my 938 Extreme that I bought a week and a half ago. I've run 4 different kinds and weights of ammo thru it and have not had a single hiccup of any kind. Starting to wonder if types of lubrication might not make a difference with these 938's. I started using the Sig recommended Mil-Comm TW-25B grease on my 226 after I had a couple issues after purchase. Haven't had any more problems with it and continued the same practice on my 938.
Oh, you can't grease these babies enough!
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:30 AM   #25
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The scratch is more likely caused by the slide, under the slide in the middle there is usually a small protrusion that when the slide goes back it rides on the top round usually causing that scratch and then the lip of the protrusion catches the base of the top round in the magazine and slips it forward and guides it into the chamber along the feed ramp as the slide moves forward.
That said, the only problem I've ever had with a SIG is that when new they need a log of lube, that is why SIG ships a plastic vial of lube with every gun. You need to use it, all of it on your first outing.
I had a coworker with an SP2022 at the last training class that kept having issues because the 50 year police firearms professional instructor told the class to not lubricate their pistols. What a freaking idiot. When I tried to get my coworker to lube up with some BreakFree CLP that I always have on hand, he looked at me as if I didn't know what the **** I was talking about and he said, dude I'm not putting that **** on my gun. That idiot instructor. Not all police instructors know what they are talking about and every word he said was gospel to my younger coworkers. So he couldn't qualify that day and he told me he was taking his gun back and never buying another SIG. What an idiot.
So lube that 938 up really good and make sure you get all the grease out. The slide needs as little friction as possible to function properly.

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Old 12-12-2012, 03:34 PM   #26
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My Nightmare (snicker snicker) is with Sig....Fed Ex'd it last Friday. So I am real anxious to get it back and wing some ammo downrange.

About 20 minutes ago, I placed an order for a Steyr S9mm-A1 through my LGS and 200 rounds of Lawman and 100 rounds of Federals. Yep, the P938 better be looking over it's shoulder right now!!!!!!

The one thing I wish I did differently was break down the 938 prior to shooting and lube it up real good. I didn't....I "HAD" to go quickly and try her out. Thinking if I would have cleaned up that factory **** and CLP'd her, the results could have been a little different. I will be sure to do that on her arrival AND my Steyr's arrival.
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I went a similar route.
My extreme 938 had it's issues. I sent it back and Sig did the recoil spring, extractor, and feed ramp. It did real well after it came back. I felt better about it, but still had doubts. Waiting for what it did before.
This past weekend I ran into a guy I slightly knew. He had the only other gun that sent my heart racing and was looking to trade.
I now have a Springfield ESP 40 that shoots like a dream, and my 938 has a new home.
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wow. necro thread. I updated all the things going on in the tracking thread, but basically i'm done evaluating with FMJ, now I'm ready to look at some form of 124 gr hollowpoint. I have some feeral hi-shok to run through for a reliability test, just need range time
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