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Old 07-22-2012, 09:47 AM   #1
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Question 1911 question/HELP

Hello all
I have a Sig P238 and love it. I have been looking to get a sig 1911 for competition shooting and need some advice.

I was looking at the 1911 STX and my dealer told me that this gun can be very picky unless you load your own ammo a certain way. Is that true? Let me say I do not load my own and am not looking to do so.

I just want a reliable Sig 1911 that will have no problem shooting quality box ammo. I am looking for a 9mm and the styles are the STX(depending), TTT, MAX, or the Crimson Trace.

My limit is no more than 1500$ as I am a amateur and this will be my first competition gun. I really like the stainless slides as they have less maintenance.

any advice would really be appreciated.

Is the reason that some of these guns are picky about the ammo they fire because some are on a rail slide and others are not or is it something else?

Thanks to all who read and respond.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:52 AM   #2
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I have owned a SIG 1911, but not the STX or a 9mm. I have other 1911s as well, and the only 9mms I have had are Colt Defenders and New Agents. Well, I did have one Springfield EMP, but I sold it because at the time, I never could find magazines for it. (It also doesn't use standard parts.)

IMO, SIG makes a quality gun. Some 1911 purists don't like them or S&W 1911s because they use an external extractor, and indeed when Kimber tried to use one, they didn't work well...but SIG and S&W have the external extractor down to a science and they do work well. In general, you should be able to buy a SIG with confidence.

1911s in general, though, can be finicky...regardless of brand. Each pistol will have individual characteristics. SIG 1911s in general will work well...and if they don't SIG will take care of it. Beyond that, it comes down to evaluating the individual pistol; some will fire all types of ammo with no problems, some will balk at certain configurations (FMJ, hollow point, etc) or even certain weights. Often it will require that the pistol be tuned to the loads you want to use, or find a load your pistol will run well as it is set up. Tuning can include adjusting the extractor, polishing feed ramps, changing spring weights, doing trigger jobs and other firing components, and so on...and if you aren't familiar with this kind of work, having a good gunsmith do them is advisable. Usually, though, most pistols will run well with factory loads...and more people report problems with hand loads than factory loads.

Other than tuning the pistol itself, the magazines you use are very important. Most often, the magazines the factory includes aren't the best. You will need extra magazines anyway, so you should buy some good ones. You should buy a few of various good quality brands to see which ones work well in your pistol before buying a lot of them...personally, I've always had good luck with Wilson Combat 47D or ETMs.

You should also check out the 1911 Forum. There is a SIG specific section, and a wealth of information is available there.

Good luck in whatever you decide!
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$1500 will buy most any Sig 1911
I like .45 in a 1911 IMO that's what the platform was built for.
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I have owned a SIG 1911, but not the STX or a 9mm. I have other 1911s as well, and the only 9mms I have had are Colt Defenders and New Agents. Well, I did have one Springfield EMP, but I sold it because at the time, I never could find magazines for it. (It also doesn't use standard parts.)

IMO, SIG makes a quality gun. Some 1911 purists don't like them or S&W 1911s because they use an external extractor, and indeed when Kimber tried to use one, they didn't work well...but SIG and S&W have the external extractor down to a science and they do work well. In general, you should be able to buy a SIG with confidence.

1911s in general, though, can be finicky...regardless of brand. Each pistol will have individual characteristics. SIG 1911s in general will work well...and if they don't SIG will take care of it. Beyond that, it comes down to evaluating the individual pistol; some will fire all types of ammo with no problems, some will balk at certain configurations (FMJ, hollow point, etc) or even certain weights. Often it will require that the pistol be tuned to the loads you want to use, or find a load your pistol will run well as it is set up. Tuning can include adjusting the extractor, polishing feed ramps, changing spring weights, doing trigger jobs and other firing components, and so on...and if you aren't familiar with this kind of work, having a good gunsmith do them is advisable. Usually, though, most pistols will run well with factory loads...and more people report problems with hand loads than factory loads.

Other than tuning the pistol itself, the magazines you use are very important. Most often, the magazines the factory includes aren't the best. You will need extra magazines anyway, so you should buy some good ones. You should buy a few of various good quality brands to see which ones work well in your pistol before buying a lot of them...personally, I've always had good luck with Wilson Combat 47D or ETMs.

You should also check out the 1911 Forum. There is a SIG specific section, and a wealth of information is available there.

Good luck in whatever you decide!

PS congrats on your Virgin post in this forum!
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PS congrats on your Virgin post in this forum!
Did you mean that for aruga, and not me? I don't have many posts here, but this isn't my first.
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thank you

Thank you for the responses so far

GKC.. you mentioned how some will fire with any type of ammo where others will require some tweaking. I am looking for one that does not need any tweaking and is ready to fire any quality ammo I feed through it. I am a novice and do not have any experience at loading my own rounds so I just want a good reliable 1911 SIG. Do you know of a Sig 1911 that will fire almost everything?

I was informed of cheaper brands that I will not have to worry about, but they were ugly, heavy, and I did not like them so I am trying hard to find a SIg that will fit my simple needs.

I have looked around this forum at the wealth of 1911 info, but for a beginner it does get kind of confusing so I wanted to ask the pro's what they think my best bet it.

Thanks again for responding and hopefully some others will too.
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GKC.. you mentioned how some will fire with any type of ammo where others will require some tweaking. I am looking for one that does not need any tweaking and is ready to fire any quality ammo I feed through it. I am a novice and do not have any experience at loading my own rounds so I just want a good reliable 1911 SIG. Do you know of a Sig 1911 that will fire almost everything?
Frankly, there just aren't any guarantees. Now, some models of 1911 are known to have more problems than others...Para and Taurus, for example. However, there are many that have good luck with them. There are models that are considered to be generally reliable, such as Colt, Ruger, S&W, and Springfield, but still individual pistols can and do have problems because of individual variations in the pistols themselves. Even the very expensive semi-custom models like Ed Brown, Les Baer, and Wilson can and do have problems with individual pistols...admittedly much less frequently than production models, but it can and does happen.

In a way, it is no different than buying a car. Fords, for example, are generally reliable (in my experience, anyway) but individual models can have a problem. The best that you can do is buy a 1911 from a manufacturer that is generally considered to be reliable (which SIG is) and a model that doesn't have a history of being problematic (a quick search didn't turn up a lot of threads about issues with the STX models, but that is still no guarantee.) Then you will still need to test your particular pistol to insure function, and if necessary, send it back to SIG to have it repaired. I wouldn't have a local gunsmith try to tweak it because it may invalidate the lifetime warranty...if you don't care about that, then many people do have gunsmiths work over their guns, especially for competition.

I know you would like a guarantee that your pistol will work all the time, every time. None of them do...even Glocks, with their supposed "perfection" and infallibility, fail. Revolvers fail. Guns that start out running fine can develop problems...it is the nature of dealing with machines.

The best you can do is buy a good brand, and then see how your individual pistol performs. I think the SIG 1911 is a good, reliable platform, among several other choices. Since you intend to use this for competition, you should decide going in what features you want: adjustable sights versus fixed, front strap checkering, rail or no rail, single safety or ambi safety, and so on, which can be expensive to add after the fact. Other options, such as replacing grips or a full length guide rod with a GI guide rod (or vice versa), can be done easily and fairly inexpensively.

As for ammo, any good 1911 should run with good factory ammo...if it doesn't, it might mean that the feed ramp needs to be polished, the extractor tension needs to be adjusted, you need better magazines...all things that cannot be determined in advance. In general, if the brand has a good, solid reputation, the chances of you getting a pistol with problems is much smaller, but it still can happen. As I said, there just aren't any guarantees, not even with "plastic fantastics."

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Did you mean that for aruga, and not me? I don't have many posts here, but this isn't my first.
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Thank you for the responses so far

GKC.. you mentioned how some will fire with any type of ammo where others will require some tweaking. I am looking for one that does not need any tweaking and is ready to fire any quality ammo I feed through it. I am a novice and do not have any experience at loading my own rounds so I just want a good reliable 1911 SIG. Do you know of a Sig 1911 that will fire almost everything?

I was informed of cheaper brands that I will not have to worry about, but they were ugly, heavy, and I did not like them so I am trying hard to find a SIg that will fit my simple needs.

I have looked around this forum at the wealth of 1911 info, but for a beginner it does get kind of confusing so I wanted to ask the pro's what they think my best bet it.

Thanks again for responding and hopefully some others will too.
I have a 229 40 cal and it HATES Wolfe steel cased ammo. It was given to me I left it at the range for anyone else that wanted it! Dirty stuff- NFG as far as I'm concerned!
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I have a 229 40 cal and it HATES Wolfe steel cased ammo. It was given to me I left it at the range for anyone else that wanted it! Dirty stuff- NFG as far as I'm concerned!
I agree...and Tula as well. I prefer to use Winchester and Remington at the range, and Hornady CD in my carry pistols.
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SiG 1911 pattern pistols are generally the same except for the fluff...they may have a different sights, ambi safety or two tone finish but under the hood they are alike...my SiGARMS GSR Revolution STX has been very reliable...like many 1911 pattern pistols they can be finicky when futzed with but I like mine...



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