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Old 07-22-2012, 12:38 PM   #1
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My P229 Stainless Elite is malfunctioning!!!

HELP!!!!

My P229 Stainless Elite is not extracting the casing resulting in a double feed. I have repeatedly cleaned it thoroughly. I had it shipped back to Sig Sauer. They polished the feeding ramp and stated that they had no feeding or extraction issues after putting 50 rounds through it.

It appears the problem doesn"t happen until well past 100 rounds. Before that...everything is fine.

If anyone has any suggestions before I re-ship back to Sig Sauer, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:06 PM   #2
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exitus, Is this a new problem with a pistol you know to be reliable, or is this a new
to you pistol? My first thought is after 100 rounds ,if you are shooting that in one
sitting, you may be getting tired and not supporting the gun well enough to allow
complete extraction and ejection. Have you changed ammo? Could the ammo be
underpowered? How many rounds beyond 100 does it take for it to begin to
malfuntion, and does lubing the gun make it function again? So many questions
but double feeds can come from so many causes. Shawn
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It appears the problem doesn"t happen until well past 100 rounds. Before that...everything is fine.
I once owned a Kimber that would run perfectly for about 50 rounds, and then it would start jamming. I had to clean it after every 50 rounds, and then it would run fine again...for the next 50 rounds. Nothing I did changed that...springs, polishing, changing magazines, my grip, etc.

SIGs do like to run wet, so maybe you need to look at how and with what you are cleaning and lubing the pistol. Also, what kind of ammo are you using? Some is much "dirtier" than others. As was mentioned, there are many variables, including limp wristing, that can cause this issue. If your pistol runs fine up to 100 rounds, and then you clean it and it runs fine again, then it is your lubrication...unless your hand/wrist gets some rest while you are cleaning it. Malfunctions induced by magazine or extractor tension shouldn't show up only after a set number of rounds, but it could be possible.

Have a friend or range officer shoot the pistol beyond 100 rounds...if it runs fine for them, it is probably your grip; if it doesn't, that should eliminate the limp wrist concern.
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Hmmmmm...this issue only happens with the P229. I have a P220 SSE Carry, and it doesn"t happen when I shoot. This is the first time I have ever experienced this with one of my Sigs.

I use Winchester "white-box" 9 mm 115gr fmj or Federal Premium 9mm 115gr fmj.

I will follow your advice and have one of the ROs fire some rounds when I experience any FTEs. Also...I will look at changing the lubrication. And I will keep some on hand when I go to the range.

Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it. Whew...this is very frustrating. Nothing worse than clearing a double feed in an indoor range with very little air.
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Hmmmmm...this issue only happens with the P229. I have a P220 SSE Carry, and it doesn"t happen when I shoot. This is the first time I have ever experienced this with one of my Sigs.

I use Winchester "white-box" 9 mm 115gr fmj or Federal Premium 9mm 115gr fmj.

I will follow your advice and have one of the ROs fire some rounds when I experience any FTEs. Also...I will look at changing the lubrication. And I will keep some on hand when I go to the range.

Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it. Whew...this is very frustrating.
You should only try to eliminate one variable at a time, to isolate the problem. It doesn't sound like it is limp wristing, perhaps, because you can shoot a heavier, higher caliber pistol without a problem, unless you are unconsciously gripping the P220 harder/tighter, and relaxing with the P229.

Another thought is to try some different ammo, but only after you've checked the other variables.

Good luck, and do post what you find out...this in interesting!

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Nothing worse than clearing a double feed in an indoor range with very little air.
I dunno....it might be worse if someone is shooting at you!
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HELP!!!!

My P229 Stainless Elite is not extracting the casing resulting in a double feed. I have repeatedly cleaned it thoroughly. I had it shipped back to Sig Sauer. They polished the feeding ramp and stated that they had no feeding or extraction issues after putting 50 rounds through it.

It appears the problem doesn"t happen until well past 100 rounds. Before that...everything is fine.

If anyone has any suggestions before I re-ship back to Sig Sauer, it would be greatly appreciated.
are you shooting mag after mag after mag, might be getting hot.

lube the all stainless rails with grease, i use tw25b, which latest sigs have come with a little tube.
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Yep...that is exactly what I am doing. But I have 3 other stainless models that I shoot the same way and no issues. I will be hitting the range this weekend. I will narrow down issue. I did change the grip to a Hogue rubber. Slim the grip down a bit.
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are you shooting mag after mag after mag, might be getting hot.

lube the all stainless rails with grease, i use tw25b, which latest sigs have come with a little tube.
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are they all stainless or just the slide?
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I figured out the issue. The grip screws were coming loose. I tightened the grips before shooting and not one FTE. It wasn't noticeable at all. But apparently, the recoil management is definitely impacted by loose grip srews.

Oh yeah, I shot over 300 rounds without incident.
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that was an ez fix
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I know. After all that drama. Who would of thought.

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that was an ez fix
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sometimes it's simple or having a 2nd person take a look.

many times you don't have to totally reinvent the wheel to get something done.
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