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Old 02-17-2019, 10:58 AM   #1
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10mm in compact form

Glock makes the G29 in 10mm which is the baby brother to the full sized G20 and is perfect for carry.

Why doesn’t Sig make one, say in P229 form as a baby brother to the P220 10mm?

The P229 would be perfect for the 10mm platform. Beefy frame and slide, I’m betting it would handle the 10mm great. Plus you actually could carry it concealed.

Who’d buy one if Sig made it?


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Old 02-17-2019, 11:05 AM   #2
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I wonder if Gray Guns would do a 10mm conversion of a P220 Compact? They did this service for the full size P220 until SIG came out with the 10mm version. Might be worth an ask?
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I would be shocked if SIG did that.

I do remember back shortly after the rumors started flying that SIG was coming out with a P220 10mm, SIG was supposedly going to release a couple in the standard-length 4.4" barrel. But never did. I guess they thought it was too close to the 5" to be something people would want. Usually, people who want a nice 10mm want a 5" or longer barrel, rather than a shorter one.

Would have been nice if they had made a solid-stainless P227 Carry converted to 10mm. That would be awesome!

But given that the P227 is dead, I won't hold my breath on that one either.
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Would have been nice if they had made a solid-stainless P227 Carry converted to 10mm. That would be awesome!

But given that the P227 is dead, I won't hold my breath on that one either.
I think a 227 with a stainless frame with beavertail offered in 10 mm, .45 ACP. 45 SMC/etc. would be great.

My guess is that .45 ACP and 10mm just don't sell well enough for the bean counters to give their approval, so yeah, we will probably never see one. Glad I got a 227 when I could.
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My guess is that .45 ACP and 10mm just don't sell well enough for the bean counters to give their approval...
I think there's a lot of truth to that.

SIG's love affair with the 9mm is more than obvious.
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I think there's a lot of truth to that.

SIG's love affair with the 9mm is more than obvious.
It is all about the $$$ and you can't really blame them as they are a for profit company.
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I’ve had the same exact wish. I had a Sig 10mm in stainless but sold it as I didn’t like the size at all. Bought a RIA medium size 1911...but would absolutely buy a Sig with a shorter barrel if made. Like the idea of a 227 as I love mine...particularly the SAS one I have.
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They could make a good-capacity 10mm with the P227 frame. Would be easy to adapt. But they would need to make it steel-framed and they never built an all-steel P227.
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They could make a good-capacity 10mm with the P227 frame. Would be easy to adapt. But they would need to make it steel-framed and they never built an all-steel P227.
Not sure it would have to be steel, but it would probably last longer if they did.

Personally, if I want a compact/carry sized handgun, it will probably be in .40 instead of 10mm, but to each their own.
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Not sure it would have to be steel, but it would probably last longer if they did.

Personally, if I want a compact/carry sized handgun, it will probably be in .40 instead of 10mm, but to each their own.
No way a 10mm would last long with a stainless slide riding on the aluminum alloy frame rails.
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Gray guns worked on the 220-10mm a long time before Sig came out with it.
I wanted a Nightmare 1911 carry in 357 sig and Butler at Sig told me a couple of times it was very close.

I think the short 4" barrel just wasn't performing well for them.
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Not sure it would have to be steel, but it would probably last longer if they did.

Personally, if I want a compact/carry sized handgun, it w
ill probably be in .40 instead of 10mm, but to each their own.
True, Glocks are not steel.
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I wanted a Nightmare 1911 carry in 357 sig and Butler at Sig told me a couple of times it was very close.

I think the short 4" barrel just wasn't performing well for them.
The 357sig 1911 Nightmare Carry has been available for a while.
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My three 10mm pistols (EAA Witness Steel Compact, S&W 1066 and 1076 (FBI)) all have steel frames, I agree that a 10mm pistol would likely require a steel frame. Full power 10mm is very tough on pistols and shooters which brought about the .40 S&W.

I'd buy a P250 10mm X-Change Kit if such a thing was feasible. The rails on the P250/P320 FCU are too short for the 10mm round. If they were full sized spanning the entire length of the FCU, it might be feasible.
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True, Glocks are not steel.
Oh, but it has a steel frame inside and its "rails" are what the slide rides on. The aluminum alloy of a SIG standard P-series gun, I do not believe would have a chance of holding up to 10mm. The slide rails on the frames of so many P229s get quickly worn down or have the hell beat out of them by the slide when firing .40S&W. Has little to do with the recoil spring but more the lockup design of the Classic P-series guns, how the slide moves on the frame and how the forces are transmitted from slide to frame. I would also not be surprised to see the frames, at the very least the frame's slide rails, on a aluminum alloy SIG Classic to start cracking from the forces of a 10mm.

And if you've ever seen slow-mo video from a high-speed camera of a G20 10mm firing, the polymer on the G20 has very visible waves traveling through it. That plastic shell has properties that allow it to absorb, or perhaps "shake off", a lot of the forces transmitted to it through the steel internal frame. The aluminum alloy won't flex like that.
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