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Old 11-13-2019, 01:16 PM   #1
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Grounding the DA first shot

I canít remember where I read this but one of the big agencies (FBI maybe) used to teach their agents to ground the first DA shot to get it into single action mode when DA/SA pistols were more prevalent.

I guess the thinking was that they were going to pull that first shot badly anyway so may as well get it out of the way and at least you know where it is going. All of the next shots are SA and they are all the same, much like a striker fire but way better.

I ask because I am contemplating carrying my Sig P229. Iíve always carried Glocks and am very comfortable with them but my P229, at least in SA, is head and shoulders above. I literally canít miss with it. The DA first shot though, forget about it. Iíve tried to train through it and havenít been able to make that DA to SA transition work.

What are your thoughts on grounding the first DA shot in a defensive scenario and then going from there in SA?


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Old 11-13-2019, 01:21 PM   #2
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I can imagine all kinds of bad things happening if that process becomes a reality.
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Beyond dumb. Smh.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:27 PM   #4
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I'd be hesitant to carry my DA/SA pistols if I was missing the DA shot. How "off " is you're DA shot? Accurate at defensive ranges? I haven't been to the range for a few months (new baby) and plan on working on DA/SA transitions the whole time. I usually start at 3yds and work out from there. I'm trying to stay sharp with a lot of dry firing at home in the meantime. Best of luck!
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:32 PM   #5
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I have absolutely no idea what you mean by grounding! As a retired police SWAT instructor and firearms instructor for several years. I can honestly say with total confidence that I never taught, heard of, or would recommend sacrificing the first shot. It would possibly be your only shot. That said, practice, practice, practice. I had a guy that struggled with shooting his department issued revolver and had repeated and I mean repeated training attempts. He passed the academy range by one round. The joke was, don't be around if he needs to shoot. Well, two weeks later he was fired at by a suspect outside a bar. The suspects first and only shot missed. The new officer fired one shot, striking the suspect between the eyes. So again, practice, practice, practice. Don't concentrate on groupings, concentrate of fluid trigger pull, and the center mass of the target. Even pulling the first round, which is typically low right will end up just at the outer portion of the preferred area. Enough for you to seek cover if necessary and enough for him or her to feel a boo boo and realize their day is going to be a bad day. That's my two cents.
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If youíre not totally confident in carrying DA/SA then donít. Or keep training with it till you do.



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As others have said-train, train, and train until you are confident in your DA shot.

I do all of my dry fire practice DA and at the range I shoot at least one box of ammo DA only, decocking after each shot.

I find that with no stress shooting my DA shots are just as accurate as my SA shots.

However when stress factors are introduced (eg. 30 or so bends and thrusts) my DA shots are slightly less accurate than my SA shots.
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Isn't the first supposed to be a "warning shot"?

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I've been part of/in/around numerous agencies, military, LE etc all my life and been an instructor/training counselor since 1976.

I have never heard any such thing about "grounding the first DA shot" from a DA/SA firearm.

It's not only a waste of a valuable asset, it's dangerous to others and means instead of aiming and directing that asset at a life-threatening target, you still have to aim your firearm up and away from the ground after recovering from that first shot.

I would discredit ANY instructor/agency that even consider such an ignorant policy.

Learn to use your firearm properly as designed or change platforms.

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How stupid. If you're going to take the time to do that, you may as well cock the hammer back and then fire in single action.

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I canít remember where I read this but one of the big agencies (FBI maybe) used to teach their agents to ground the first DA shot to get it into single action mode when DA/SA pistols were more prevalent.

I guess the thinking was that they were going to pull that first shot badly anyway so may as well get it out of the way and at least you know where it is going. All of the next shots are SA and they are all the same, much like a striker fire but way better.

I ask because I am contemplating carrying my Sig P229. Iíve always carried Glocks and am very comfortable with them but my P229, at least in SA, is head and shoulders above. I literally canít miss with it. The DA first shot though, forget about it. Iíve tried to train through it and havenít been able to make that DA to SA transition work.

What are your thoughts on grounding the first DA shot in a defensive scenario and then going from there in SA?


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Deliberately "grounding" the DA shot is absolutely stupid for either LEOs or civilian concealed carriers.

There's no way I could be convinced that any law enforcement agency ever taught it as doctrine.

The DA shot can be mastered through practice. Unless/until you've done that, just stick to your Glocks.
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I don't practice DA on my Sigs anymore.

I now practice with my S&W 2" snubbie revolver.
If I can put 5 rounds rapid in COM with it, I can durn sure hit the first shot on my Sigs.

As for "grounding" the first shot, no legitimate law enforcement agengy teaches that.
Not even the FBI,
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Isn't the first supposed to be a "warning shot"?

<ducking for cover>
WARMING not warning, the first shot is to warm the barrel.

not real but I could see this.

"Callahan you shot that man in cold blood"

"I gave him a warning shot"

"But you shot him in the head"

"I think he got the point"
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I don't practice DA on my Sigs anymore.

I now practice with my S&W 2" snubbie revolver.
If I can put 5 rounds rapid in COM with it, I can durn sure hit the first shot on my Sigs.

As for d"grounding" the first shot, no legitimate law enforcement agengy teaches that.
Not even the FBI,
This^^^^^
I grew up with DA revolvers. The DA shot is generally my best.

Training, practice and more training.
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Old 11-13-2019, 02:59 PM   #15
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No American LE agency would even consider teaching officers to intentionally ground their first shot.
Others have already hammered the answer to your problem, so I'll only add that if you can't practice enough to ensure DA accuracy, maybe you should check out SAO Sigs. In fairess, I'd have to say that my and others previous DA revolver experience seemed to ease our transition to DA/SA Sigs in the early 90s. Good luck.
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