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Old 06-29-2020, 03:28 AM   #16
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Old 06-29-2020, 03:52 AM   #17
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That's what my speculation was for their arms. Seems they wouldn't want them in the hands of the public.

As I mentioned, some of the plants that supported had specialty made press tooling for government projects. When the projects were over, they wanted the tooling destroyed.

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That's true. The USG on military contracts will own the production tooling, and they will destroy the tooling after production has concluded. It's to prevent the tooling from landing in the wrong hands.
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That has to be recovered items from crimes etc. I can't see any LEO or military unit using a Hi-Point.
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Retired Military Handguns...
I didn't know that retired military got handguns. I'm going to write my congressman to complain because when I retired from the Navy, I didn't get a handgun.

Do we get to chose what handgun we are awarded or is it luck of the draw, or one size fits all?
I believe the only military personal that get to keep their weapons are "Flag Grade Officers". I might be wrong though.
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I believe the only military personal that get to keep their weapons are "Flag Grade Officers". I might be wrong though.

Correct, but they have to pay for them if they choose to keep their handgun at retirement. Although, it is a very good value compared to the value with its General Officer Provenance.
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You might inquire with the folks over at the Civilian Marksmanship Program. They routinely have rifles for sale, but not so much handguns. They may, however, be able to point you in the right direction.

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There was a whole batch of M17 surplus guns that hit the market in the past year.
Not really surplus. They were the first batch sent out for training use. But they were the only actual M17's released to the public. Only others are the units used in armorer training classes and some special events at the academy.

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The USG on military contracts will own the production tooling, and they will destroy the tooling after production has concluded. It's to prevent the tooling from landing in the wrong hands.
The govt. does not own the tooling to firearm's purchased. Tooling for the M11 which is no different than the standard 228 tooling is still in the hands of Sig.

LEO firearms are not always turned in. Many are owned by the employees such as Chicago and NYPD. Some dealers may work a trade. Larger agencies will work with Sig directly but that is a pain in some cases.

Some states prohibit reselling seized or found firearms and prohibit reselling old agency firearms. I foresee less and less being made available through this route.
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Not really surplus. They were the first batch sent out for training use. But they were the only actual M17's released to the public. Only others are the units used in armorer training classes and some special events at the academy.



The govt. does not own the tooling to firearm's purchased. Tooling for the M11 which is no different than the standard 228 tooling is still in the hands of Sig.

LEO firearms are not always turned in. Many are owned by the employees such as Chicago and NYPD. Some dealers may work a trade. Larger agencies will work with Sig directly but that is a pain in some cases.

Some states prohibit reselling seized or found firearms and prohibit reselling old agency firearms. I foresee less and less being made available through this route.
I bet when they retire the NYPD folks who keep their Glocks change out the 12lb triggers the first chance they get
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If you get wind of available M9s retired from the Marine Corps steer clear. I wouldn't touch my services retired M9s with a ten foot pole. They either already have cracked locking blocks or they will soon. Can't say for the other services but plan to at least replace the locking block right away. Now the Beretta that my wife's grandfather kept when he retired as a NC state trooper, that I'd actually like to have. Still has all the bluing too and looked it like it hardly been fired.
The locking block on the 92 platform is designed to be a regular maintenance item. A cracked locking block typically means that the pistol wasn't maintained very well but a simple $30 kit and you can replace it with the Gen 3 locking block and recoil springs and more than likely you'll be good to go for many thousands of rounds.
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I think the Beretta's are starting to show up. Buds in Sevierville this week put 50 in their used case all with M9 on the tags. They are in fair shape to say the least.

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I have not seen any milsurp M9s show up on GB or CMP. This would make Budís the sole outlet in the US? Nothing online at Budís either. So one case in one store has the entire US stock? Weird.
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I bet when they retire the NYPD folks who keep their Glocks change out the 12lb triggers the first chance they get

Had a few up at the Academy change them out. the Sig Academy armorer was also Glock certified and id it as a courtesy years back.

I haven't heard of the military releasing any surplus M9's for sale and I doubt they will in the near future. If at all I'd suspect the CMP would be involved.

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Not really surplus. They were the first batch sent out for training use. But they were the only actual M17's released to the public. Only others are the units used in armorer training classes and some special events at the academy.



The govt. does not own the tooling to firearm's purchased. Tooling for the M11 which is no different than the standard 228 tooling is still in the hands of Sig.

LEO firearms are not always turned in. Many are owned by the employees such as Chicago and NYPD. Some dealers may work a trade. Larger agencies will work with Sig directly but that is a pain in some cases.

Some states prohibit reselling seized or found firearms and prohibit reselling old agency firearms. I foresee less and less being made available through this route.
Some were actually deployed to the 101st - The list shows the far right column those that have been researched under the Freedom of Information Act.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...RK5VVI6uZh30Y#
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