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Old 09-03-2020, 03:02 PM   #16
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There is something wrong with that spring. Way to compressed. When you remove it from the rod does it go back to full length? Is it binding on the rod? Is your guide rod cleaned and properly lubricated?

It should be much longer and ride smooth on the guide rod.
Thanks, even cleaned and lubed, the spring is tight on the rod. I heard there are two diameter guide rods that are different by .0005 inch. Could this be the cause?

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Old 09-03-2020, 03:21 PM   #17
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I've purchased a couple of CPO Redbox weapons. As others have stated, clean, lube and no problems. I have extra 229 guide rods if you need one. On another note, I have a Redbox P320 X-Full coming Saturday to my FFL. I'll range it and let you know if I have issues. I'm thinking not due to their track record, but who knows. For Willard; Yes I went to the dark side and purchased a striker Sig. I couldn't beat the price.
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Old 09-03-2020, 06:24 PM   #18
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Thanks, even cleaned and lubed, the spring is tight on the rod. I heard there are two diameter guide rods that are different by .0005 inch. Could this be the cause?

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When you remove the spring from the rod how long is it compared to the photo?

I would contact Sig and let them know and show them that picture. If the pistol isnít under warranty, I would just get a new guide rod (aftermarket ideally, Grayguns) and even a new spring.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:16 PM   #19
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It's positioned correctly, but the recoil spring looks too short.

I have a P229 in 40/357, and the spring is much longer. Like yours, mine has a total of 10 coils. But, the seventh coil is at the end of the rod with 3 coils extending beyond the rod. My spring is a Sig OEM part.

Yours looks really compressed. I think you have the wrong spring.
Mine were deformed such they bound on the guide rod. Take the spring off, and the length was OK (but it was a pita to get off). Once installed, they were undersize enough to bind on the rods and not fully extend. Tried a Wolf spring, but fit was sloppy enough to need some fiddling to initially get the slide to rack. Went to the Sig flat wire spring and perfect fit and function . . .

To the OP the color, etc looks correct, but between the uneven coil spacing and scratches on the guide rod, I'll bet it is binding. One of the issues with the US made wire springs was exactly this - being undersized . . . (IE, it's *NOT* a guide rod problem!)

It should come off the guide rod with minimal force, and only have any degree of snugness in the end coils on the colored end.

Sig replaced my spring no questions asked, although I gotta admit I paid for the second one, since it wasn't worth the price of the part to be on hold waiting for CS that long. I assume that this is 40/357Sig, and if so, Midway recently had tbe correct spring in stock (just note that the reviews were carried over from tbe old spring, and do not apply to tbe current flat wire spring that they are shipping).
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Wow, what excellent information here!

Yes, the spring looks like it's binding on the rod and it's hard to separate from the rod.

I ordered a grayguns guide rod, the stainless one. For laughs, I got a Sprinco guide rod as well and will try to polish my stock guide rod.

Ordered some Wolff 17lb springs, but I'll order the flat springs from Midway as well and see which one works.

Finally, I'll contact Sig and see if they will send me another spring.

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Old 09-04-2020, 06:05 AM   #21
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Wow, what excellent information here!

Yes, the spring looks like it's binding on the rod and it's hard to separate from the rod.

I ordered a grayguns guide rod, the stainless one. For laughs, I got a Sprinco guide rod as well and will try to polish my stock guide rod.

Ordered some Wolff 17lb springs, but I'll order the flat springs from Midway as well and see which one works.

Finally, I'll contact Sig and see if they will send me another spring.

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Member Dan's SIGs reported that some of the "lighter blue" springs were wound around too small of a mandrel.

The Painted "end" only should be tight to the rod, the "reason" it goes against the Guide Rod's flange. The coils should move freely over the rod itself.
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Yes, the spring looks like it's binding on the rod and it's hard to separate from the rod.
The spring's colored end is a little narrower and was designed to bind to the guide rod. That's NORMAL. In the old days when springs were not colored, we just know to insert the narrow end first onto the guide rod.
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If you havent already .. check out this thread

https://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistol...il-spring.html
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I cannot speak for the P229, as the only one I had I purchased new. But I do own 2 CPO P226 and they have been flawless. I am 99% they had new springs in them, or they sat in a locker their whole life. Call CS, I am sure they will make it right.
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If you havent already .. check out this thread

https://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistol...il-spring.html
Tous is wonderful stuff, thank you!

Is 19# still you go to?

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I don't have the answer other than try a new spring.

My real questions is where does one buy these CPO guns? Never heard of them. I'm just now coming out of my cave..... Thank you very much.
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Tous is wonderful stuff, thank you!

Is 19# still you go to?

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I am still using the 19#. I have the 17# in my ever growing spare parts bin. I wouldn't hesitate to use the 17# but the recoil impulse feels "right" to me with the 19#. Brass still ejects 10 feet away and I have since fired probably 300 rds of a mix of ammo including reloads and it has been flawless.
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My real questions is where does one buy these CPO guns? Never heard of them. I'm just now coming out of my cave..... Thank you very much.
CPO = Certified Pre-Owned, meaning Sig takes pre-owned guns (usually from LE), and refurbishes them inside and out with new parts. CPO's guns are shipped in red cardboard boxes with the Sig Sauer logo, and come with an extra mag, a lock, manual, and maybe a plastic paddle holster. They're sold at a discount but worth every penny IMO. Sig gives a one-year warranty on their CPO guns.

CPO's are out there, but you have to look. Before C-19 hit us, CDNN Sports were selling CPO Red Box Sigs every week (P225, P220, and P226). Recoil Gunworks also sells CPO's on occasion.
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Guns, cars, computers, guitars, cameras and more. Buying new doesn't always guarantee a perfect product. It simply guarantees new packaging. I'd wager everyone on here has at one time or another purchased a new item and met with a lemon.

Similarly, I have bought "used" or "refurbished" all of the above, and I've been extremely pleased with having purchased a quality item, often with a warranty, and never had an issue. In some cases, a little "freshening up" may be needed, but putting new strings on a guitar is minor compared to the cost difference between new and used!

Basically, SIG is standing behind their red box items. And as one who had to send a NEW pistol back to them for work, I'd have no qualms about buying a red box gun.
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Wow, what excellent information here!

Yes, the spring looks like it's binding on the rod and it's hard to separate from the rod.

I ordered a grayguns guide rod, the stainless one. For laughs, I got a Sprinco guide rod as well and will try to polish my stock guide rod.

Ordered some Wolff 17lb springs, but I'll order the flat springs from Midway as well and see which one works.

Finally, I'll contact Sig and see if they will send me another spring.

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I have a P229 CPO that has the exact same recoil spring. Before I took it to the range for the first time I switched to a Grayguns guide rod. Was difficult to install the recoil spring, very tight fit.

My CPO ran fine with 357 SIG but is definitely not as smooth as other 229s I have or have had. I think because I was shooting 357 SIG and had switched the guide rod I had no feeding issues. I have not tried with the .40 barrel yet and will conjecture that I would have some issues with reliability unless I changed out the recoil spring.

So, all that being said I think you are headed in the right direction.
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