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Old 09-02-2020, 07:16 PM   #1
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Are red box sigs supposed to be good to go out of the box?

I bought a P226 and a P229 this year, both in .40 S&W. The P226 which was just sold as a used PD trade in, I stripped, replaced all springs and reassembled. The P229 was a red box refurm model, and I just stripped and cleaned and lubed it, assuming it had all new springs.

Took both to the range for the first time. The P226 was flawless and ate the ball and JHP ammo I fed it, around 50 or so.

The P229 had a series of double feed jams. I pulled the trigger and no bang, not sure if it was out of battery and would let the hammer drop. I assumed a broken FP spring at first. The recoil spring is funky that it is a lot longer than the guide rod, but I guess that's normal.

Should I assume springs are new on a redbox and look for other causes? I just had one mag with me, are redbox mag springs replaced?

The P226 is a warhorse and veryaccurate. Haven't even started with 357 sig barrel yet

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Old 09-02-2020, 07:31 PM   #2
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Can't speak on that other than to say my Red Box 226 .357 has ate 400 rounds since I got it cheap earlier this year. Did nothing to it except wipe it down and oil after shooting it.

Since testing it, it sits in a bolted down lock box in my work truck with 2 extra mags & a bravo OWB holster.
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red box are cpo's but it sounds like the recoil spring may be the issue.

cpo's have a 1 year warranty to the original purchaser.
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My only experience with a Sig CPO was a 516 that I bought a few years ago. It was indistinguishable from a new one and has run perfectly ever since.
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The Red Box is a Certified Previous Owned Sig Pistol. Sig Has hone over the pistol and has replaced the necessary parts and it has a one year warranty. There are numerous Members on Sigtalk, Myself included that have purchased them. I've not had any problems with mine which btw is a P229 German frame in 357Sig Mine looks new/. As someone said maybe the recoil Spring is the culprit. Could be that an incorrect one was installed during the refurb by the Sig shop.
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It's likely the recoil spring, since Sig has had problems with finding a local contractor, to make the twisted/braided wire springs. It would be interesting to see which spring your P229 .40 S&W has... "Light Blue" paint was US braided Manufacture, "Dark Blue" was European braided manufacture. Single "round" wire was Wolff (US) manufacture, and currently they also have a "flat" wire spring.

Of course, as with any "new" or "CPO" firearm, they need to be cleaned and lubricated before use, as they have "preservatives" on them to protect against corrosion, rather than lubricant, for "operation". Magazines can even have "preservatives" on them, but need no "lubricant".
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Mine looked brand new and ran great but the recoil spring was a mess after just 2 range visits. No failures but it would have been just a matter of time. I put in a 19# from wolf in my 229 40 and it has been flawless. It will even cycle and run ammo other guns balk at.
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To the OP, definitely contact Sig, and use the warranty. I have CPO guns from Sig, and never a problem at all, but as well all know, a lemon can get past quality control at times (we're all human). Please keep us posted.
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I got two CPO "like new" 229's recently, and while the guns were overall in good condition, both had unserviceable recoil springs that needed to be replaced . . .
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to make the twisted/braided wire springs.
They started to have issues with that type years back when the spring wires started breaking. they eventually stopped using them. One local department using the P229 357 Sig was eating them up.
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Here is the spring, did I put it on backwards?

Looking at it from the front, it looks deformed a bit.



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I have gotten three Red Box Sigs (225 A-1, 320 FS, Tacops 1911 .45).

All were cosmetically and mechanically like new.
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Here is the spring, did I put it on backwards?

Looking at it from the front, it looks deformed a bit. ..
It's positioned correctly, but the recoil spring looks too short.

I have a P229 in 40/357, and the spring is much longer. Like yours, mine has a total of 10 coils. But, the seventh coil is at the end of the rod with 3 coils extending beyond the rod. My spring is a Sig OEM part.

Yours looks really compressed. I think you have the wrong spring.
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Here is the spring, did I put it on backwards?

Looking at it from the front, it looks deformed a bit.



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There is something wrong with that spring. Way to compressed. When you remove it from the rod does it go back to full length? Is it binding on the rod? Is your guide rod cleaned and properly lubricated?

It should be much longer and ride smooth on the guide rod.
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