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Old 09-04-2020, 12:12 PM   #16
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The reason they can't hit the intended target is they don't have the right equipment. Coming soon, side mounted red dots.

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Old 09-04-2020, 12:49 PM   #17
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Mrerick....are you saying that the firing pin will propel the pencil into the paper target? If so, then I assume no snap caps are used...TG
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Mrerick....are you saying that the firing pin will propel the pencil into the paper target? If so, then I assume no snap caps are used...TG
That is correct. It's OK to do this with most center fire pistols that can be dry fired without a snap cap - but don't try it with a Rimfire...
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Old 09-04-2020, 04:56 PM   #19
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Notwithstanding the above pencil-launching drill, you can also use a foam ear plug (turned sideways and compressed) to insert in the back of the slide between the hammer & firing pin. I stopped using snap caps (unless I’m specifically wanting to cycle rounds they the pistol).
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All good advice here. Practice is always the key to improvement—in anything, really. That said, I guess I have a somewhat different take on the whole DA to SA “equation”...

I feel a DA first shot is a willful compromise; it’s a way to carry a gun safely and get it into action quickly, with no need for a manual safety. I don’t think you can/should/would expect to shoot a heavy DA as well as a light, crisp SA. I mean, if DA was intended to shoot as well as SA... why would they even include the SA function on DA/SA guns? (That’s a rhetorical question).

That’s not to say you can’t learn to shoot DA well. Personally, I feel pretty confident I can hit what I’m aiming at with DA. (I even carry a Kahr often, though that’s not quite a true DA). But it’s a means to an end—DA gets shots where they need to be, but I don’t expect real precision without a SA.

That’s just my take. I’m sure there’s some people that can shoot tacks at 15 yards in DA all day long. I just don’t think that’s really the objective of a DA first shot in a defensive pistol.
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All good advice here. Practice is always the key to improvement–in anything, really. That said, I guess I have a somewhat different take on the whole DA to SA “equation”...

I feel a DA first shot is a willful compromise; it’s a way to carry a gun safely and get it into action quickly, with no need for a manual safety. I don’t think you can/should/would expect to shoot a heavy DA as well as a light, crisp SA. I mean, if DA was intended to shoot as well as SA... why would they even include the SA function on DA/SA guns? (That’s a rhetorical question).

That’s not to say you can’t learn to shoot DA well. Personally, I feel pretty confident I can hit what I’m aiming at with DA. (I even carry a Kahr often, though that’s not quite a true DA). But it’s a means to an end–DA gets shots where they need to be, but I don’t expect real precision without a SA.

That’s just my take. I’m sure there’s some people that can shoot tacks at 15 yards in DA all day long. I just don’t think that’s really the objective of a DA first shot in a defensive pistol.
there are also pistols double action only I believe Sig 320, has one version if I'm not mistaking also I had a Ruger LC9 which is double action only again training is everything

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I find that my first DA shot often has greater accuracy than subsequent SA shots.

Not all double actions are equal, however. I wouldn't try and tell you with a straight face that my j-frame was more accurate in double action.
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Iíve started using a Mantis X system for dry fire practice and it has done wonders for my first DA shot. I was in the 70s (the way the Mantis X scores your shot) and am now in the 90s after a couple of months. Went to the range recently and was able to shoot in DA accurately out to 25 yards. I now need to work on my transition from DA to SA but that shouldnít be too hard. Mastering the DA shot is the hard part. Try a Mantis X system. It will work on any gun you own with a rail. I use it on my ARs and AKs also.


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Agreed. My second shot (first SA) is usually the most volatile.

It’s easy to practice the DA shot in dry fire and eventually that gets rather comfortable. But it’s harder to effectively simulate a quick DA to SA sequence in dry fire.
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there are also pistols double action only I believe Sig 320, has one version if I'm not mistaking also I had a Ruger LC9 which is double action only again training is everything
My P229 is DAO and my P224 is DAK. That way no transition from DA to SA. Having grown up, so to speak, with revolvers, works best for me.
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double action accuracy

What's wrong with cocking the hammer with gun pointed in safe direction.
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What's wrong with cocking the hammer with gun pointed in safe direction.
Nothing, except something you don’t want to do if you have to draw when you really need it. Just like why you don’t want to load the chamber if you really need it. Additional steps that could go wrong.
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Every time I go out shooting I practice drawing and shooting a series of three rounds, the first in DA and then two rounds in SA. If I keep up with the routine at least once every month I have no problems landing all three hits, especially with the p229. My p220 seems to have a slightly heavier pull and takes some more work.
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This is a 642 at 7 yds. Just takes a little practice but I find I can get a whole ton of good practice without ever letting expensive rounds go down range.

As mentioned above .. I have a little more trouble with the first transition shot than I do the first DA .. but im working on it. If I didnt have stuff to practice and skills to hone .. going to the range would be boring

10 rds 642 ... now I was aiming for the "9" so I was off a bit!!
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I’ve started using a Mantis X system for dry fire practice and it has done wonders for my first DA shot. I was in the 70s (the way the Mantis X scores your shot) and am now in the 90s after a couple of months. Went to the range recently and was able to shoot in DA accurately out to 25 yards. I now need to work on my transition from DA to SA but that shouldn’t be too hard. Mastering the DA shot is the hard part. Try a Mantis X system. It will work on any gun you own with a rail. I use it on my ARs and AKs also.
For those not familiar with the MantisX system, it's a small 3 axis accelerometer that encodes motion and transmits it via BlueTooth to an application in your tablet or cell phone. The accelerometer mounts on either your gun's accessory rail, or on the bottom of a magazine.

The application can chart and record all motion just prior to and just after triggering a shot (either in dry fire or actual firing).

They are an outstanding measurement and learning tool for improving your trigger control. They are priced reasonably, and will contribute to your skills development. Unfortunately, they cost more than the Nickle or ballistic pencil I recommended earlier.

https://mantisx.com/

I also have one of these, and highly recommend it.
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