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Old 09-12-2020, 10:48 AM   #16
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Just a quick question for you guys. I was at the indoor range this week with my P226 40sw tacops. I mentioned my gun has 21,000rds through it to a guy next to me who says,,, you're lucky!! He said the 9mm 226 series cracks frames pretty regular at 20,000rds so the fourty should be even worse. Is he crazy or is there anything to this. My frame is aluminum!! The gun is flawless and the best handgun I've ever had!!! Thanks in advance..
Shoulda asked him if his daughter is a good kisser.
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"You're not a SEAL until you've tasted Italian steal" Isn't that why those Wilson Combat 92G Brigadiers have that hump on both sides of the slide? I think it was around there where a lot of them were breaking, or cracking, or something. I don't remember.
The problem was corrected with the introduction of the Beretta 92FS.

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I have personally seen multiple cracks on P226 frames. All have been in the area of where the factory modified the frame for the DAK trigger. The frames have all been from high round count shooters (greater than 20,000 of factory ammo), and all are 40 caliber weapons. U, UU, and 47A prefix serial numbers. I have not seen any 9mm caliber 226 crack in the same area. If I can figure out how to post a picture of where the cracks are showing up, I will try to post one.

Not agreeing with the “range expert”, but just saying that the frames can crack
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The problem was corrected with the introduction of the Beretta 92FS.
Yes, I know that was addressed. But I've occasionally wondered why the WC Brigadier had the unusual humps in the side of the slide, seen above the TDL in this pic. I was thinking, but not sure if I'm remembering correctly, that is the area where the Beretta slides were cracking. I thought maybe this was something WC did to further "bullet proof" the slide on this special model.
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The problem was corrected with the introduction of the Beretta 92FS.
Too bad they didn't fix the cracking issue with the locking block. I've seen a lot of those crack.
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Yes, I know that was addressed. But I've occasionally wondered why the WC Brigadier had the unusual humps in the side of the slide, seen above the TDL in this pic. I was thinking, but not sure if I'm remembering correctly, that is the area where the Beretta slides were cracking. I thought maybe this was something WC did to further "bullet proof" the slide on this special model.

GBIA they were cracking here in the locking block cut of the slide, the thinnest portion. Reportedly due to heat treatment causing them to be too brittle, other theories were an Italian alloy snafu, IIRC.
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This was their "immediate" fix, to prevent the slide, should it "break", prevent the rear, from "exiting" the frame...

The groove machined into the bottom of the left slide rail of the slide (gold), rode over the large head of the Hammer Pin (green). Which "limited" rearward travel of the slide.
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I have since ask the LGS folks about this issue, with covid going on I tend to go in shoot grab my license and book. They to said the mud rails were the culprit!! Thanks for all the replys... Now I'm waiting for my 9mm bbl and recoil spring. MGWs is shipping me a new extractor too mine might be worn enough to cause extraction issues with 9mm cases. Oh yeah LGS have told me the P226 is built for the 40sw to get their share of the police contracts back in the day!!
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Hello, Anono2. I have a question or two regarding your post. You write that you have observed frame cracks on P226 DAK .40 cal pistols. Have you seen any cracking of non-DAK frames - regardless of caliber? I am curious about this. I was ignorant of frame modifications being made to the DAK pistols.
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Too bad they didn't fix the cracking issue with the locking block. I've seen a lot of those crack.

Beretta fixed the locking block issues years ago. If your speaking about Mil M9’s, most units were not allowed to order the updated locking blocks. They either had to buy the originals due to the TDP, or aftermarket sub-par replacements.

I think Beretta is currently on the 3rd Gen of their 92series locking blocks. They are GTG.


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Hi Flying Pig,

The ones that I have seen that are cracked are the frames with the DAK compatible cut out
On the right side. They are all DA/SA 40 caliber guns that have seen over 20,000 rounds.
All are in the same area, and weapons have had parts/ springs replaced per Sig Sauer recommended schedule. No “hot loaded” ammo, primarily 180 grain Winchester of Federal HST down the pipe.
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Somewhat akin to the redneck saying to the 911 owner, “I hear them Porsh’as explode if ya drive ‘em too fast on the innerstate.”

You should have responded with, “Awesome; that’s great to know. That’ll give me a great excuse to buy a new gun then.”

Enjoy your 226!
The Porche only blows up if you hit a Jersey wall, at a 90 degree angle, at speeds of over 120 MPH.

I have a 1987 P-226 in 9mm with well over 30,000 rounds through it that still shoots great. Slide is marked both, "P226 Made in W. Germany," on the right side of the slide, and "SigArms Tyson's Corner - VA" on the left side. Love that gun...

Serial Number #U 153 xxx.

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The seals blew up some Berettas with machine gun ammo that was much higher pressure. The gov paid a settlement to Beretta for damage to their reputation over this. But the slide stops cut was put into place and remains.
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I think it was Elmer Keith who said "Hell, I was there" about issues where he was on the scene. I do not know about any civilian Berettas that cracked but Special ops did have quite a few slides crack. They ordered 9mm +P+ which has no agreed too pressure limit. The ammo was what you would cal +P+++. After they went to regular +p there were no more problems. They were shooting ammo WAY over pressure for any 9mm. Beretta did strengthen the slides though after it all went public. There you go!
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Just a quick question for you guys. I was at the indoor range this week with my P226 40sw tacops. I mentioned my gun has 21,000rds through it to a guy next to me who says,,, you're lucky!! He said the 9mm 226 series cracks frames pretty regular at 20,000rds so the fourty should be even worse. Is he crazy or is there anything to this. My frame is aluminum!! The gun is flawless and the best handgun I've ever had!!! Thanks in advance..
Was he trying to sell you his Glock?
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