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Old 12-30-2010, 06:37 AM   #1
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As some of you know, I am still on a quest to acquire my first SIG. I had high hopes for Christmas, but Mrs. Badger graced me with a new Gen4 Glock 19 instead (no complaints there...but the SIG-ness remains!)



For quite some time, I've admired the P229 line and thought I'd eventually pick one up in .40 S&W. With this new 9mm in the house, I've had an epiphany (of sorts) and have decided to limit my calibers to 9mm and .45 ACP.



So...while the quest continues, meet my new "Holy Grail"...the P220 Carry!





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Old 12-30-2010, 09:49 AM   #2
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Someone shipped your Holy Grail to me and I'm refusing the package, ha. Hopefully it'll make it your way eventually.
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They are a sweet shooting pistol in the best caliber!
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:43 PM   #4
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Yeah Grumpy, I can't manage to tear myself away from my .45s. And Corey, you should have just slapped a "Forward To" sticker on that one and sent it my way!
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Old 01-01-2011, 12:34 PM   #5
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I wish my Mrs would buy me guns. You'll be happier with the Sig though. Good luck on your quest.
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Old 01-01-2011, 07:19 PM   #6
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Sig or Glock.. hmmm Audi or Yugo.. LOL Just had to put that in. A lot of you probably don't know it but Glock made a special deal to the New York Police Department when the sold them their Glocks. Big package deal and I believe they got them for around $50.00 a piece (or less) I remember reading someplace that the actual cost of the Glock manufactured is around $30.00 and I could be a bit high.
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:12 PM   #7
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I need to correct my last post. It was more like $75.00 per pistol to manufacture and sell to the U.S. public at 500.00 Some reading of an old article put out by Forbes:



..."The U.S. police business was once dominated by Smith & Wesson and Beretta. Then in 1985 along came Glock with a gun made from a nylon resin that was tough enough to be made into most parts of a pistol (except the carbon steel barrel). The Glock was also revolutionary for its simple design--34 parts, compared with 60 or so for the Smith & Wesson .45 caliber semiautomatic--and its 24-ounce weight, to 25.4 ounces for the Smith & Wesson. A Glock shooter experiences a softer recoil because the gun's polymer frame flexes slightly when it's fired. Glock fans include the New York City police, U.S. Special Forces, the FBI and many international antiterrorist units.



These days Glock GmbH has an estimated $100 million in sales, two-thirds of it from the trigger-happy United States. A gun that retails for $500 can be manufactured for $75, and the company has a pretax margin nearing 60%, estimates John Farnam of Defense Training International, a LaPorte, Colo. small arms instructor.



Success has not made Glock, a highly secretive and taciturn man, any more trusting of the people around him. He has a few very high-profile friends. Among them: Pope John Paul II and Jörg Haider, former leader of Austria's ultraright Freedom Party and a Hitler admirer. At his lakefront mansion in Velden, Austria, Glock's favorite room is in the basement, where he can control the smallest detail of his home's inner workings, including the temperature of the tiles in his upstairs bathroom. He flies his own Cessna Citation jet wherever he travels. "There are fewer crazy people in the air," he says. "



If you want, you can read the whole article (older article) here at this link: http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=321263 or more recently at the Sigforum back in Sept of 2010 here: http://*************/eve/forums/a/tpc...5/m/4270026322





It also talked about Glock's association with Jörg Haider, former leader of Austria's ultraright Freedom Party and a Hitler admirer.



I carried a Glock when I was a Deputy, but I won't carry one again. I was not that impressed with them, and that is simply my opinion of shooting and experience. One of the keys to the softer recoil on the Glock, was that the polymer frame flexed and made for a softer recoil. Perhaps that also happens somewheat with the Sig SP2022 9mm pistol?
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I need to correct my last post. It was more like $75.00 per pistol to manufacture and sell to the U.S. public at 500.00 Some reading of an old article put out by Forbes:



..."The U.S. police business was once dominated by Smith & Wesson and Beretta. Then in 1985 along came Glock with a gun made from a nylon resin that was tough enough to be made into most parts of a pistol (except the carbon steel barrel). The Glock was also revolutionary for its simple design--34 parts, compared with 60 or so for the Smith & Wesson .45 caliber semiautomatic--and its 24-ounce weight, to 25.4 ounces for the Smith & Wesson. A Glock shooter experiences a softer recoil because the gun's polymer frame flexes slightly when it's fired. Glock fans include the New York City police, U.S. Special Forces, the FBI and many international antiterrorist units.



These days Glock GmbH has an estimated $100 million in sales, two-thirds of it from the trigger-happy United States. A gun that retails for $500 can be manufactured for $75, and the company has a pretax margin nearing 60%, estimates John Farnam of Defense Training International, a LaPorte, Colo. small arms instructor.



Success has not made Glock, a highly secretive and taciturn man, any more trusting of the people around him. He has a few very high-profile friends. Among them: Pope John Paul II and Jörg Haider, former leader of Austria's ultraright Freedom Party and a Hitler admirer. At his lakefront mansion in Velden, Austria, Glock's favorite room is in the basement, where he can control the smallest detail of his home's inner workings, including the temperature of the tiles in his upstairs bathroom. He flies his own Cessna Citation jet wherever he travels. "There are fewer crazy people in the air," he says. "



If you want, you can read the whole article (older article) here at this link: http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=321263 or more recently at the Sigforum back in Sept of 2010 here: http://*************/...35/m/4270026322





It also talked about Glock's association with Jörg Haider, former leader of Austria's ultraright Freedom Party and a Hitler admirer.



I carried a Glock when I was a Deputy, but I won't carry one again. I was not that impressed with them, and that is simply my opinion of shooting and experience. One of the keys to the softer recoil on the Glock, was that the polymer frame flexed and made for a softer recoil. Perhaps that also happens somewheat with the Sig SP2022 9mm pistol?


Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
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No doubt the Mrs. would have gotten the SIG, funds permitting. I thought she did rather well. I learned a long time ago to never look a gift horse (or gun) in the mouth.



I did not intend for this post to become a platform for flaming any one particular manufacturer or product.



[s]Corey...please delete this thread. [/s]
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Oh, it's not a flame, it's a fact. Opinions, though, only count to the person giving the opinion. I'm not a big Glock fan becuase of their odd trigger pull. Glock actually started a lot of the other manufactures thinking about polymer frames after Glock made a sweeping entry into the law enforcement community. They were just doing competitive business practices, getting their pistol into the larger law enforcement establishements at a bid cost so low that Smith & Wesson and others could not match. And they used that leverage in their advertising as well.



If you like your Glock that is great, but as an opinion, I think you will be really pleased with the Sig 220 carry. The craftmanship and polished barrel will proably be very impressive.



It's nice to get anything from the wife that is firearm related, as there are many wives out there dead set against anything to do with a gun.
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Thanks for your opinion Gibbs. I've asked Corey to leave this post as is. And for the record, I'm certain that I will be extremely pleased when I am able to acquire a P220...there's no doubt in my mind about that. Until then, that little Yugo will have to get me from point A to point B until I can buy the Audi...but I don't think it'll have any problem doing so.
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Yugo..Audi..LOL It was a hard anology. I would have compared ti to the Audi and VW but both have become pretty intricate in their manufacturing, beside, I think both Audi and VW are assembled in America now. I was trying to figure time involved in the manfuacture process as well as initial cost outlay, and that sort of came to mind. A glock is not a Yugo, but it has been designed to be simplistically made, and with injection molding, the process has become to strealined as to make the pistol one of the easiest to make and assemble. Of course they can't sell it to the public for $100.00 people woud believe there had to be something wrong. We are told over and over again, "you get what you pay for" so it would have been suicide for them to sell them way lower than what expectation would be the the public eye. They are 2 different classes of pistol designs that's for sure. For the revolver people that cut their eye teeth on the consisten pull of the revolver, they were the cat's meow. To the M1911 Colt people, they were a whole different cat.



BTW, last 2 sessions at the range with my Glock, when I was a deputy, I was able to put in perfect scores on the targets. Not really bragging, as much as saying if the pistol was not up to the task, I would have never been able to do that.





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Yugo..Audi..LOL It was a hard anology. I would have compared ti to the Audi and VW but both have become pretty intricate in their manufacturing, beside, I think both Audi and VW are assembled in America now. I was trying to figure time involved in the manfuacture process as well as initial cost outlay, and that sort of came to mind. A glock is not a Yugo, but it has been designed to be simplistically made, and with injection molding, the process has become to strealined as to make the pistol one of the easiest to make and assemble. Of course they can't sell it to the public for $100.00 people woud believe there had to be something wrong. We are told over and over again, "you get what you pay for" so it would have been suicide for them to sell them way lower than what expectation would be the the public eye. They are 2 different classes of pistol designs that's for sure. For the revolver people that cut their eye teeth on the consisten pull of the revolver, they were the cat's meow. To the M1911 Colt people, they were a whole different cat.



BTW, last 2 sessions at the range with my Glock, when I was a deputy, I was able to put in perfect scores on the targets. Not really bragging, as much as saying if the pistol was not up to the task, I would have never been able to do that.


No doubt the Glock is an excellent weapon. I don't own one and don't know that I ever will, but if the right ones crosses my path at the right price I'll have no problem adding it to my collection.







This thread has gone WAY off topic. Back to 220's. Hopefully mine is in the mail somewhere! Ha...
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Yes, the .45ACP In the P220 would be a very choice pistol. Has it been shown to be as accurate as most of the other Sigs? Generally, the .45 was always the one used for major shooting matches, and I wondered how this one may have stacked up against the 9mm Bretheren?
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Yes, the .45ACP In the P220 would be a very choice pistol. Has it been shown to be as accurate as most of the other Sigs? Generally, the .45 was always the one used for major shooting matches, and I wondered how this one may have stacked up against the 9mm Bretheren?


I don't know about the 3.9" variations, but the 5" model has proven to group under an inch at 25 yards.
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