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Old 10-07-2012, 05:44 PM   #16
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Nick is right the first models of p238 where the ones that had problems it even states on the recall that the newer models with serial numbers 27axxxxx ect are not affected.

I just bought my fiancee a p238 the other day because it was the only "pocket" .380 she liked and could rack the slide on next day we took it out to the range and put 150 rounds through it with no problems at all.... I usually like to clean my pistols before taking them out to the range but with this one I just did a visual inspection and took it out because my dad insisted just go out and shoot it thats what they are made for her 238 btw has they 27a serial number....

My dad has always loved his sigs which is where I learned to appreciate them, between the both of us we own a 220 in .45 a p229 in 9mm(ex highway patrol pistol) a p229 SCT in .40 a 1911 and a 556 and have had no problems with any of them.

I will say though that I am really really interested in a p938 for an EDC but im thinking of just getting a 238 for now till they work out the bugs out of them like they did with the 238 when they first came out
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:51 PM   #17
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For my 2 cents worth, I have a 226 mk25. Shot it for the first time today. Its my first Sig. Well it shot great, I had no problems at all. Shot 115gr and 147gr. Feeds well and ejects well. Came with mec-gar mags. Also shot a new 1911 Sig no problems also.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:15 PM   #18
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I'm doing the same thing as darkwolf I want to add a 938 to my collection but I too am waiting to hear more about it and on it ... buy the way I am also looking at a 226x5 .40li has anyone own or played with one of those yet?
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:20 PM   #19
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Own a P238 and 1911 Nightmare

Don't have a problem, ever, and both put the rounds where the factory sights were set. Both shoot quite well. Am happy and saving for my next sig. Can't say there aren't any bad ones but like any factory produced product even with a tight quality control you're gonna have a few get through.

Consider the volume produced to defects and I personally feel it would be well within a very tight tolerance level. Plus they do have a warranty that is sound.

Now my former govt motors gmc truck is down right }%{*|!ty. After 3 months of hell I went and bought a ford 1 ton truck and very happy with it. Don't like your weapon, sell it and get another brand like I did with my former socialist truck.
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I have a new p226 with over 1k through it and not a single issue. I can't comment on the newer models they are putting out. I stick with guns that have been proven over a longer period of time.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:12 PM   #21
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Well the reason I asked about the p238 is because I've owned one for a year now and haven't had a single problem. Its been shot quite a bit and run's perfect. I just checked and its the newer serial model so maybe that's the reason. I also just bought a used 229 in 40 and so far I love it.
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The fact that people count on these products to work when called upon leaves no tolerance for shoddy unproven designs
The models I mentioned were all examples of $$ before reliability and yes nick I own some of these guns I speak of my personal experience
I paid for the right to trash sig sauer they produced them, they are the ones I hold accountable. They are the ones with the bs stories as to why it needed to be returned in the first place.
The only models I would ever support are the 226/228/229
Other than those, you pay your money and take your chances
This is my opinion and mine only
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yes indeed
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:21 AM   #24
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After positive experience with a P238 I became a fan. I bought a P938 that has made two trips to Sig Sauer. I am ex-military, 61 years old, not a chronic whiner-crybaby, experienced enough to evaluate the condition of a firearm and ready to conclude I'd never buy another product them. This isn't because they make so many unreliable guns - it's because they sold me "a" piece that isn't up to spin and they won't own the problem.

My gripes with the P938 and Sig are simple.

1) After 150 rounds the magazine springs were too stiff to load a full complement without hurting my fingers. I mean, crazy-stiff springs; nobody would disagree with that except maybe Sig. OK - so maybe they'll soften after more use. I'll sit back on this.

2) Chambering a round from a fully- or partially loaded magazine unseats the remaining top bullet from the magazine. The result is that the magazine cannot be dropped by pushing/holding the button in; it has to be pulled out in a two-handed operation. I call that a major flaw. Consequent to the unseating, when I remove a loaded magazine from a condition-1 pistol, the top round is as likely to fall free from the handle as stay in the mag. I don't think much of handguns that spill live bullets or, worse, demand two hands to drop a mag. That is crapx2 quality.

3) The attitude. Sig Customer Service told me, first, "Get used to it." Next they took the pistol back, fired it 75 times, changed the extractor and sent it back dirty. Since their work didn't resolve the problem I sent it back again. The pistol was again returned fired and dirty, with two new magazines (as a courtesy) and a note implying rounds unseating and falling loose from a magazine is typical with single stack 9mm pistols and the 1911 design in general. The gun is, therefore, without flaw.

So, whatever. I can work around live rounds that sometimes fall out of the handle. I can wait for the springs to soften in the magazines, too. The P938 shoots fine by me.

However, I have to call Sig Sauer's approach to quality a new low in my experience. Very, very low rent people treating the retail buyer with contempt and fobbing off hardware that doesn't work so well. Honest to Pete - the CS manager at Sig explained the problem away by saying (really!) his Kahr unseated and dropped loose rounds all the time! You could have knocked me over with a feather! I guess the Nano engineers didn't get the word that loose rounds are supposed to fall out of their pistols.

I want to like this 9mm and I'm solid with the idea of, mostly, you get what you pay for - sometimes more, sometimes less. Just know the mentality of who you're buying from if you order a Sig. I cannot speak poorly enough about their dealings with me. I feel lightly screwed.

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Adter experience with a P238 I became a fan. I bought a P938 that has made two trips to Sig Sauer. I am ex-military, 61 years old, not a chronic whiner-crybaby, experienced enough to evaluate the condition of a firearm and ready to conclude I'd never buy another product them. This isn't because they make so many unreliable guns - it's because they sold me "a" piece that isn't up to spin and they won't own the problem.

My gripes with the P938 and Sig are simple.

1) After 150 rounds the magazine springs were too stiff to load a full complement without hurting my fingers. I mean, crazy-stiff springs; nobody would disagree with that except maybe Sig. OK - so maybe they'll soften after more use. I'll sit back on this.

2) Chambering a round from a fully- or partially loaded magazine unseats the remaining top bullet from the magazine. The result is that the magazine cannot be dropped by pushing/holding the button in; it has to be pulled out in a two-handed operation. I call that a major flaw. Consequent to the unseating, when I remove a loaded magazine from a condition-1 pistol, the top round is as likely to fall free from the handle as stay in the mag. I don't think much of handguns that spill live bullets or, worse, demand two hands to drop a mag. That is crapx2 quality.

3) The attitude. Sig Customer Service told me, first, "Get used to it." Next they took the pistol back, fired it 75 times, changed the extractor and sent it back dirty. Since their work didn't resolve the problem I sent it back again. The pistol was again returned fired and dirty, with two new magazines (as a courtesy) and a note implying rounds unseating and falling loose from a magazine is typical with single stack 9mm pistols and the 1911 design in general. The gun is, therefore, without flaw.

So, whatever. I can work around live rounds that sometimes fall out of the handle. I can wait for the springs to soften in the magazines, too. The P938 shoots fine by me.

However, I have to call Sig Sauer's approach to quality a new low in my experience. Very, very low rent people treating the retail buyer with contempt and fobbing off hardware that doesn't work so well. Honest to Pete - the CS manager at Sig explained the problem away by saying (really!) his Kahr unseated and dropped loose rounds all the time! You could have knocked me over with a feather! I guess the Nano engineers didn't get the word that loose rounds are supposed to fall out of their pistols.

I want to like this 9mm and I'm solid with the idea of, mostly, you get what you pay for - sometimes more, sometimes less. Just know the mentality of who you're buying from if you order a Sig. I cannot speak poorly enough about their dealings with me. I feel lightly screwed.
Xena WC- U are right on the money!
Ahh the saga continues...... After being told the gun was received with "no lube and dirty" I did a little extra work (Paid to have attended over 6 classes at the Sig Academy) Then told the gun was ready for return on 10/1. Well that turned into shipping Friday 10/5, second day Fedex to arrive on Tuesday 10/9. Had the date covered for package to be signed for. Called today 10/8 got a whole different story..... What was wrong with the gun? I asked. Replaced the Disconnector (that's why when a round was chambered the trigger was locked, the hammer was locked. Replaced the Recoil spring, retention spring and a new polished extractor! A far cry from nothing wrong; needed lube and cleaning...... I lubed it prior to shooting 35 rounds, took it home went back to shoot another 50 and that's when the gun took a big wet ****! Never fired round 36 the trigger was frozen and the hammer was locked(Cocked) With a lot of arm twisting the gun shipped overnight, to arrive tomorrow AM. I am sure that it will be flawless, now!
There was no reason for all the lies and tripping up that was done here. This is what causes people to think real hard before plunking down their hard earned money on their product. Probably my last Sig Sauer. I keep my record at .500 as my 229 has NEVER Failed after 12000 rounds.
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well downtown you have the freedom to trash what ever ya want as far as the p238 I love mine had no problems and still recommend it to everyone I talk to had people that have bought it since I have told them and they all report no problems they love it as well ... as for the 938 i hear more good than bad on that gun.. and downtown ya never said what your problems were ya only made a trash statement but didnt say what or how your guns so called failed ??? that would be more helpful than just making a remark that they suck wouldnt you agree ??
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I'll never buy a Toyota. Only one problem with a model its enough for me.
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well downtown you have the freedom to trash what ever ya want as far as the p238 I love mine had no problems and still recommend it to everyone I talk to had people that have bought it since I have told them and they all report no problems they love it as well ... as for the 938 i hear more good than bad on that gun.. and downtown ya never said what your problems were ya only made a trash statement but didnt say what or how your guns so called failed ??? that would be more helpful than just making a remark that they suck wouldnt you agree ??
See above I was very clear as to what the jerking around I got and what was wrong. Re the 238 it appears that They've gotten their act together. I'm Glad you got a later model. The 938's seem to have been improved but there's a lot of guys that bought them early on that went thru hell to get resolved. There's a 938 thread about them. My anger is with them rushing the product to market prior to having it right then lying about the issue until they finally admit it was flawed. I liked the 238 but wanted more power than .380. When they announced the 938 while at sig academy, I lined up & Got gun #406 I didn't want the first one, figured that stood a better chance of having less problems. Keep in mind this gun was sent back to them PRIOR to me buying it. You'd think I'd be good, Right. No..... Oh There's not too many people that wasn't aware of this BS at Sig Sauer, I had a lot of ears to chew on up there. Guess why they shipped FedEX overnight instead of 2 day delivery. I will praise the gun when it proves to be reliable. Thus far not happening.
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Well I just filled out my warranty card for my new P238! Let's hope I don't need to use it...
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SIG SAUER Customer Satisfaction Survey

Did anyone else receive one?

Came after I got my replacement P938.
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