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Old 10-07-2012, 04:46 AM   #1
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Got Sig? Got Screwed?

I see a disturbing trend going on at SigSauer within the past year. They are pumping out lots of new models prior to them being thoroughly tested . They are loaded with design laws, that upon you buying them (Maybe even trusting your life to them) find that they fail. The 290 ,250,238 were classic examples and now appears that the 938 is following these muddy footprints. The staff at Sig has learned a company line of BS that there was "Nothing Wrong" The Armorers reports state nothing, yet the returned product miraculously now works as it should the day they designed it!
I believe the people on this forum have had these experiences and don't post them (Since we are all fans) and no one wants to slam or admit they bought a lemon. Your experience?

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Old 10-07-2012, 05:15 AM   #2
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sig 290

I keep reading about all the problems with sig's in general and the 290 in particular.perhaps i'm the exception or just lucky but i've had no problems,I've got a 229,238,290 and a 516. oh and a mosquito which i have'nt shot yet.
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Don't want to hijack your thread but what problem did the p238 have? I'm fairly new to sigs I've always been a glock man, but now I'm leaning toward sigs
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WELL!! i read / watched some really bad stuff regarding the Sig 716 Patrol rifle. Disregarded the criticism(s) and purchased anyway. Darn glad I did. No problems what-so-ever. Great running rifle. I have found that the fast majority of complaints on ANY firearm can be traced to: ammo, cleaning, lubrication, and mostly ignorant nimrods that don't know squat about guns.

Then of course there is the production design flaws from faulty R&D.
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Don't want to hijack your thread but what problem did the p238 have? I'm fairly new to sigs I've always been a glock man, but now I'm leaning toward sigs
see their website product recalls
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WELL!! i read / watched some really bad stuff regarding the Sig 716 Patrol rifle. Disregarded the criticism(s) and purchased anyway. Darn glad I did. No problems what-so-ever. Great running rifle. I have found that the fast majority of complaints on ANY firearm can be traced to: ammo, cleaning, lubrication, and mostly ignorant nimrods that don't know squat about guns.

Then of course there is the production design flaws from faulty R&D.
It's the rush to market that causes most issues (Not enough testing)
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There was a Dilbert cartoon where the Pointy Haired boss tells Dilbert, “Get your engineers working on something and I will go talk with marketing and find out what they want.” The problems you talk about here are a classic example of what happens when you have an unprecedented demand for handguns and a manufacturing community desperately trying to capitalize on the market’s sweet spot for small highly concealable larger caliber pistols. The manufactures seems to have reacted in a different fashion; Ruger just stopped taking orders, Smith & Wesson is trying to quickly bring additional manufacturing capability online, etc.

While I only subscribe to Sig and XD(x) forums, it seems that at least these two manufactures took different tracks. Springfield’s XDs seemed to be a super hit, but Springfield experienced withering criticism from its customers about availability. Most, if not all of the XDs' performance issues are user induced (speaking from personal experience) and are easily cured when the users actually follow directions. So, Springfield seems to have delayed shipping to make sure it’s stuff works. Sig’s P938 is a super gun in a super package. It, like Springfield was in short supply, but those that did make it through the supply chain had an uncharacteristically (for SIG) failure rate (or so it seems).

The “or so it seems” part comes from the nature of these kinds of forums. They often seem like an echo chamber where minor issues become major issues. If a weapon has an out of the box failure rates of .04% and you just happen to get one of the ones that fail, you have experienced a 100% failure rate. So, the experience of a dozen of 100%ers may seem like a fully blown piece of **** is shipped in every box. In another thread I actually recommended someone buy a P938 after having just shipped mine back for a “non-existent extractor problem.” SIG fixed it (actually they found no problem but upgraded the extractor and now it works … hmmm). I will achieve an adequate trust level in the future and will carry the gun. While I was ****** about my experience life will go on.

Which manufacture handled it better? In my personal experience Springfield will probably retain and build on their brand loyalty because they chose to delay the release of a defective product. SIG seems to have had their customers QA the design.
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I have found that the fast majority of complaints on ANY firearm can be traced to: ammo, cleaning, lubrication, and mostly ignorant nimrods that don't know squat about guns.

Then of course there is the production design flaws from faulty R&D.
AMEN to both thoughts.
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I like it when guys jump up and slam a product that they don't have but like to complain about !!! I for one own sigs a 229 .40 which is my favorite a 1911 ultra two tone and a sig p238 by the way I have shot over 1000 rds thru and have not had one problem !!! now I have seen some post by guys that claim problems and most of the times its due to cheap ammo or a faulty mag !! but for you to post neg on a item that you have never owned or experienced I for one will trust my life or my loved ones lives to any sig I own
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I like it when guys jump up and slam a product that they don't have but like to complain about !!! I for one own sigs a 229 .40 which is my favorite a 1911 ultra two tone and a sig p238 by the way I have shot over 1000 rds thru and have not had one problem !!! now I have seen some post by guys that claim problems and most of the times its due to cheap ammo or a faulty mag !! but for you to post neg on a item that you have never owned or experienced I for one will trust my life or my loved ones lives to any sig I own
I have a 229.40cal 12000 rounds thru it. Love it, alway have. But yes I will slam, rushed to market, flawed guns, regardless of who makes it! The guns I mentioned are indeed in that category. See sig's own website.There's product warnings on all of these models. There are plenty of posts about the 938 FTE and finicky accepting various grained ammo being sent back for "Modifications"
Sig's customer service is selling the company line lately, deny there's any problems, fix them , and never tell the customer what was fixed or repaired. Tell them "it needed lube"
I seen it myself and heard about it from others as well. I believe they will or did get it right but I learned my lesson. Avoid new models until they gotten the bugs outta them. And beware when there's an incredible ammount of new models hitting the market.
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Avoid new models until they gotten the bugs outta them. And beware when there's an incredible ammount of new models hitting the market.
I agree here as these thoughts really are just common sense. I remember being told as a kid half a century ago, Be not the first by whom the new are tried nor the last to lay the old aside. This thought has NEVER failed me in anything.
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I agree here as these thoughts really are just common sense. I remember being told as a kid half a century ago, Be not the first by whom the new are tried nor the last to lay the old aside. This thought has NEVER failed me in anything.
Well said, LZ
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I like it when guys jump up and slam a product that they don't have but like to complain about !!! I for one own sigs a 229 .40 which is my favorite a 1911 ultra two tone and a sig p238 by the way I have shot over 1000 rds thru and have not had one problem !!! now I have seen some post by guys that claim problems and most of the times its due to cheap ammo or a faulty mag !! but for you to post neg on a item that you have never owned or experienced I for one will trust my life or my loved ones lives to any sig I own
Isn't mag part of the gun? I have new 226 with FTE problem and one of the suggestions was to get Mecgar mags. My believe is that when the gun is sold to me it should be sent with reliable mags [especially this is not a cheap gun].
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Of all the guns I've purchased only two went back for repairs, an early Sig P238 and a Kahr PM45. I would like to say both ran flawlessly after being returned but alas the Sig was in the 98% bracket so it got traded. The Kahr was fine with its new frame but got traded because the trigger just too different than the other guns in my carry rotation, and besides I fell head over heels for a Sig P226 TacOps.
I played around with a P938 the other night but that trigger is just way heavier than it has to be for a single action gun with a safety. So now I am trying to talk myself out of a P226 or P229 in 357Sig. Wish me luck.
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First let me say to downtown I'm not here to get in a pissing contest ! my question is have ya owned either the 290 250 or 938 or the 238 ? I have a 238 and have had no problems with it what so ever !!! yes I have read the sig product alerts and I see no reason to make a statement of got screwed. and for guys here telling it like it is good or bad they do that is why I come to this site when i was thinking of getting a 238 I came here got alot advice from the guys here they told me the good and bad but they also told me to look for a 238 with a serial number starting with 27a xxxxx and due to the advice I got here I purchased the 238 and havent been happier.the people here are great and very helpful... As for jaro I really dont consider the mag a part of the weapon mags are a dime a dozen sometimes its just a simple thing as taking it apart and stretching the spring out to give more tension etc.. like lz said til after something has been out for awhile before ya make a purchase
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