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Old 01-04-2011, 03:56 PM   #1
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Greetings! I am Ryan and now reside in South Jersey!



Now that I have my NJ FID and a purchase permit, I am looking at buying my first Sig! In fact, my first semi-auto.



I've decided that a P226, non-E2, is the best fit for my hand.



I'm looking at 9mm (but haven't ruled out a .22LR with a X-change barrel) primarily because I expect a lot of range time with the pistol and want to be able to pop off a significant number of rounds without going broke!



A local range/shop has a "blowout" sale of P226 DAKs going on in either 9mm or .40 S&W, accessory rail, 3 mags, and night sights for $799 plus 7% sales tax. This doesn't seem like a blowout price because my web research suggests that the DAKs are not all that popular. Basically, they're a cop-model. I've even read that shops don't want to touch used DAK models because they don't move. I believe this since this shop has more than 3 dozen of these in their cases dated over the last 2 years. I don't want to have my first purchase be a dud as it's unknown if this will be a long-time member of my budding (yeah, soon to be two) handgun collection!



Now here's my questions...



1) Is this really a good deal?

2) Is a DAK model a bad move for my first Sig?

3) Anyone got some good gun shops in Southern Jersey they'd recommend? I've only lived here 16 months and been to Hague's, Ed's (yikes), and have been told to check out Butch's in Cumberland County.

4) Anyone deal with an FFL transfer here? I seen plenty of variety of P226s on gunbroker.com, but have no experiece with an FFL transfer at all. How does this work with NJ's new 1 per month regulation anyway?



Forgot to mention that the only place where I have found that I can test shoot a DAK model is this shop/range, but it will be $100 to get me in the lane and another $50 to shoot a SA/DA model! Kinda steep I think. Anyone know any other ranges that might have a nice selection of Sig rentals to try?



TIA!

Ry
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:14 PM   #2
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Wow, that is steep. My range is $35 a year, for me my wife & kids ( if I had them).
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Wow, that is steep. My range is $35 a year, for me my wife & kids ( if I had them).


HA! That's only for the one-trip! Range membership is $350 annually! The one benefit is that it's 5 minutes from my house.
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I went with the P226 non-E2 for the grip comfort as well. I actually wound up swapping out the factory grip for a Hogue rubber wrap-around grip for the same reason. I have large hands and long fingers so the increased size is much more comfortable for me, and I know there are a few guys on here that love their Hogue grips.



One thing to consider about the E2 model is the Short Reset Trigger that comes standard. I didn't really pay attention to the SRT on the E2 versus the standard trigger on the P226 I bought, and from what I've read that was a bit of a mistake. While I don't personally have any experience with the SRT, from what I've read it is a marked improvement over the standard trigger, and if it's available there's not really any reason not to get it.



I actually just got my .22LR conversion kit yesterday (bought for the same reasons you're considering it), and I will be taking it to the range this weekend... I'll let you know how it goes!



As far as the DAK trigger, I wish I could help, but I haven't handled one so I don't want to make any claims one way or the other. All I can say is that I really liked the feel of the DA/SA trigger versus a Glock or Smith & Wesson M&P trigger.
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I personally don't care for DAK. I like having as much control of my firearm as possible. Which means no DAK, no external trigger safeties, no internal hammers, etc. Which is why I love SIGs.



I have a P226 in 9mm. Bought it for $750 as an impulse buy. I'm pretty sure you could do better on the price, but your taste in handguns is just fine.
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Hi Ryan, I'm David - Resident Sig dealer.



The 226 is a fine gun and one of my best sellers. I also stock the 22 conversions.



The DAK is something geared towards folks who shoot revolvers and other DA's - I dont really like the DAK but some really like it. I would not order that as your first semi auto.



Even doing a conversion to DA/SA from DAK requires parts and a competent armorer (ask me how I know this) and you can't even upgrade a DAK frame to SRT without sending the gun to the factory.



1. It's a fair deal for NJ. I do sell non-NS 226's for about the same amount of money so with the night sights, its actually pretty fair.

2. I would not do DAK for your first sig. DA/SA or SRT would be my reccomendation.

3/4 No idea.



If you do find a pawnshop that does a cheap transfer, I can get you a great price on a new Sig though.

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Greetings! I am Ryan and now reside in South Jersey!



Now that I have my NJ FID and a purchase permit, I am looking at buying my first Sig! In fact, my first semi-auto.



I've decided that a P226, non-E2, is the best fit for my hand.



I'm looking at 9mm (but haven't ruled out a .22LR with a X-change barrel) primarily because I expect a lot of range time with the pistol and want to be able to pop off a significant number of rounds without going broke!



A local range/shop has a "blowout" sale of P226 DAKs going on in either 9mm or .40 S&W, accessory rail, 3 mags, and night sights for $799 plus 7% sales tax. This doesn't seem like a blowout price because my web research suggests that the DAKs are not all that popular. Basically, they're a cop-model. I've even read that shops don't want to touch used DAK models because they don't move. I believe this since this shop has more than 3 dozen of these in their cases dated over the last 2 years. I don't want to have my first purchase be a dud as it's unknown if this will be a long-time member of my budding (yeah, soon to be two) handgun collection!



Now here's my questions...



1) Is this really a good deal?

2) Is a DAK model a bad move for my first Sig?

3) Anyone got some good gun shops in Southern Jersey they'd recommend? I've only lived here 16 months and been to Hague's, Ed's (yikes), and have been told to check out Butch's in Cumberland County.

4) Anyone deal with an FFL transfer here? I seen plenty of variety of P226s on gunbroker.com, but have no experiece with an FFL transfer at all. How does this work with NJ's new 1 per month regulation anyway?



Forgot to mention that the only place where I have found that I can test shoot a DAK model is this shop/range, but it will be $100 to get me in the lane and another $50 to shoot a SA/DA model! Kinda steep I think. Anyone know any other ranges that might have a nice selection of Sig rentals to try?



TIA!

Ry
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Hi Ryan,



I have a P226 in 9mm. It was my first Sig. In California, new P226's go for around the high 800 to mid 900 dollar range. I don't have any experience with the DAK however, for me asides for my 1911's and my Glock's, all my other pistols are DA/SA format. Anything other than DA/SA would probably disorient my shooting "auto pilot" expectations, resulting in a poor grouping. But since this is going to be your 1st pistol, this would probably not be a factor. Something you might want to keep in mind, the DAK being a double action only, you will have a longer trigger pull with every shot, possibly not achieving the desired groupings, making it not fun to shoot, resulting in putting the DAK away forever causing you to make another purchase.



As for the range fees, that sounds very high even in the gun unfriendly state of California.
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Good choice with the P226. Don't think you'd care for the DAK as your first Sig. I've never found the reset troubling on a standard DA/SA Sig, but I guess the SRT is an improvement.
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Thanks for the input so far guys! I'll take all I can get! Asked over at another Sig forum as well and the thoughts seem to be similiar with the DAK.
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My 1st was/is a Sig P226R DA/SA in 9mm. I agree with the others, get one in DA/SA. You will have more fun shooting it than you would DAK.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:52 PM   #11
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Have to disagree with my fellow Sig shooters to a certain extent. I happen to like the DAK trigger but then I have put a lot of ammo through revolvers, have a couple of S&W Mountain Guns in 45LC which I dearly love and an old Taurus 441 in .44 Spc which is almost as nice. I've also put a fair amount of .44 ACP rounds downrange through a couple of Para-Ordinance LDA guns my range has for rental. This means I have no problems with the DAK trigger on Sigs. I also don't have much trouble with conventional DA/SA triggers or SA either. The DAK is the same as the DA on other SIgs, the only difference being you shoot DA on every shot. It isn't a hard system to learn to use at all and for a home defense or duty/carry gun does have some advantages.
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Well, the operable context here is that this would be Ryan's first auto pistol. It's my opinion that a DAK is geared more toward safety and not toward trigger-pull friendliness. It's not an optimal action to begin trigger practice on.
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Well, the operable context here is that this would be Ryan's first auto pistol. It's my opinion that a DAK is geared more toward safety and not toward trigger-pull friendliness. It's not an optimal action to begin trigger practice on.


I think it lines up nicely for folks who are used to shooting revolvers.
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The 226 was my first in the DA/SA set up. I went with a West German KD proofed model. I love it the thing is nut-crazy accurate at 30 feet from standing unsupported and runs like a sewing machine in terms of balance and recoil.



If you will be CCW with it I may suggest looking at the P228 same firearm just a 1/2" or so shorter.



If its just going to be a range gun? Get it you wont regret it I promise you. One thing that I will promise you if you do get it... It wont be your last SIG!
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The DAK trigger is dual mode, so is the DA/SA, that's why it's called DA/SA. The DAK has a long, light mode and a short, significantly heavier mode. The operator has a choice which mode he wants by how far he releases the trigger. The Federal Air Marshalls were using Sig 229s with a DAK trigger until they switched to the P250.



The DA on the DA/SA is a lot heavier than the long and light pull of the DAK, and it's significantly heavier also than the short, heavier mode of the DAK. After the first DA shot, the gun transistions to the SA mode, which has a much shorter and lighter trigger pull. The unfortunate thing that seems to be prevalent with the DA/SA trigger, is most seem to rarely shoot it in DA. The reason that's troubling, is that in a SD situation, that first all important shot from the holster is gonna be a heavy, long DA trigger pull that is rarely practiced. OTOH, with the DAK trigger, you shoot it in the same mode all the time; that seems a lot more user friendly that rarely shooting the DA trigger and then depending on it when your life is at stake.



As far as safety, in addition to the previous concern, when the shooting is over with a DA/SA, we are left with a cocked hammer and a light, short trigger. Probably not so safe for a newbie, or someone that just fired their gun in SD of their life. In training, I've seen a number of DA/SA guns holstered with the hammer cocked, just because the stress level had gone up a bit and the student was distracted. OTOH, with the DAK trigger, once you release it, it goes right back to the long-light mode and can be holstered without the need to decock.



As for the preference, I continually vascillate between DAK and DA/SA. I, like everyone else, enjoy shooting the SA trigger on Sigs and don't especially like that long, heavy DA trigger. So guess what I do? Just like most other people, I shoot mostly in SA, so the action that's the hardest to master, the DA, is practiced the least, and yet the first shot out of the holster will be that long, heavy trigger that we seldom practice.



OTOH, the DAK is much lighter, and only a bit longer than the DA trigger in a DA/SA gun, in fact in the shorter, heavier mode, the DAK is still less and shorter than the DA of a DA/SA. I just shot my Sig 229 DA/SA against my Sig 229R DAK yesterday and out to 15 yards, all but two rounds of the DAK was in the 10 ring of a B-27, and of the 'all SA shots' from the DA/SA only one missed the 10 ring. However, there's a bit more to it than that. I had Heinie sigths on the DA/SA and Siglites on the DAK. The Heinie's are simply better sights. I expect if I had Heinies on the DAK, I may very well have had all the shots from it in the 10 ring.



But, then again, one day I'm all DA/SA and the next I see the advantage of the DAK. I'm carrying a Sig 226R DAK today. So, I guess I don't have a true preference, but I sure like the simplicity of the DAK - no decocking - one less thing to remember and manipulate and all shots are fired just alike so I practice what will come out of my holster for that first important SD shot.
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