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Old 11-11-2012, 09:45 AM   #1
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938 Nightmare; Excited > Disappointed > Confused

I was in the military for 22 years and have been in law enforcement for about 11 now. I've always wanted a Sig Sauer Pistol. Reputation, style, performance, and the previous models I've shot = no brainer purchase.

Well, about a month or so ago, I had the opportunity to purchase a brand new 938 Nightmare. It felt great in my hands, quick to sight, and I felt it would be a great conceal carry, and back up. I took my LC9 (hate the trigger pull) gave it to my daughter, and then purchased a dream.

That dream turned into disappointment on range day...

As an officer and detective, I've been trained to have full loads in guns. I put in the magazine, chambered a round, and then pulled out the magazine to plus one a round. The problem is that the next feed round fell out of the pistol. ???!!!, I checked and tested this numerous times. A round would either move forward in the magazine or would fall out... every time.

Instead of shooting that day, I contacted Sig Sauer and was told that "All" single stack magazines can potentially move a round forward, or drop out when releasing a magazine. ??? color me confused???!!! I was told that it was a normal function of the pistol. Since I've never had this issue with the LC9, and none of my co-workers, or friends have had this type of issue with their .380's, I was dumbfounded.

Well, Range day 2.... I went out... loaded up and started firing... 3rd round through the pistol and JAMMED... failure to eject!!! Cleared and tried again... jammed several times.... Okay... traded out practice rounds, for better rounds and every 2nd or 3rd load, the pistol still jammed... failure to eject.

I then loaded Hornady critical defense ammo 115 grain FTX which works flawlessly in the LC9.... but the pistol continued to jam... failure to eject...

I felt strongly that the next feed round was causing the jams and contacted Sig.... I sent the pistol off with a picture of the jams.... you could see how the next round was starting to feed before the first round could eject.

Well, Sig just sent the pistol back to me and I'm heading off to the range. They replaced parts, but never told me if they test fired the pistol prior to "repairs." The did say that after the changes and repairs were made, they fired 30 flawless Blazer 124 grain rounds through the pistol.

So.... I was wondering if any of you all had heard about this type of problem with single stacks? It's possible I got a lemon, and it's possible the issue is fixed.... I just hope my dream doesn't become a "Nightmare" (pun intended).

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Old 11-11-2012, 10:00 AM   #2
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See this thread

http://sigtalk.com/sig-sauer-pistols...ng-thread.html
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These issues are well documented with the 938 online.

What did Sig replace?

As to the mag issue, I have found that this goes away after the mag springs have some time to set in. I leave my mags full all the time and the issue has disappeared over a couple of months.
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Yep, my P938 did the same thing when I pulled the magazine out. The next round would drop out the bottom of the weapon. I took it to the range and sent 250 rds thru it without so much as a hiccup. Absolutely flawless. The problem with the following round has seemed to leesen, if not stop all together. Maybe after you sens a number of rds thru it, it will straighten itself out. Please let us know out here what happens.
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To cure the next round falling out, hold the mag release button till the mag has cleared more then half the grip. The next round is still being pulled forward but the mag release button is what is pulling the round out of the mag when you pull the mag out. If you hold the button then this doesn't happen.

The reason the first round is dragging on the second round is due to the angle of the rounds in the magazine. The first round is hooking on the ejector groove of the second round and pulling it forward.
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They replaced the extractor and did some other things I don't understand. I put about 200 rounds through it today... nice groupings, but still had 3 failures to eject... I'm going to give it time and a lot more rounds before I feel comfortable carrying it as my second.

I love the feel of it, the weight, the sights.... I may look into a heavier grain bullet, but I've been shooting 115 grain for so long it's my comfort round.

We'll see how it goes.
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They replaced the extractor and did some other things I don't understand. I put about 200 rounds through it today... nice groupings, but still had 3 failures to eject... I'm going to give it time and a lot more rounds before I feel comfortable carrying it as my second.

I love the feel of it, the weight, the sights.... I may look into a heavier grain bullet, but I've been shooting 115 grain for so long it's my comfort round.

We'll see how it goes.
My 938 failed twice in the first 100 rounds, after it got back from Sig. Then it worked itself out, and flawless since. Mine has done 115 since I first got it. Lots of other people say theirs need 247 grain. Sig says 147 is recommended. My problem is Winchester white box, and Remington green box 115 is all anybody around here wants to sell.
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They replaced the extractor and did some other things I don't understand. I put about 200 rounds through it today... nice groupings, but still had 3 failures to eject... I'm going to give it time and a lot more rounds before I feel comfortable carrying it as my second.

I love the feel of it, the weight, the sights.... I may look into a heavier grain bullet, but I've been shooting 115 grain for so long it's my comfort round.

We'll see how it goes.
I have had a few rounds in the last 500 or so, that would not slide up behind the extractor properly. I polished it a little and that helped a little but not enough. It has been mainly Winchester white box. The cheap federal 115 fmjs seem to work just fine, my Hornady CD and Z max stuff seems to cycle just fine also.

I haven't put a mic to the grooves in the casings yet but I am thinking that I may have to message the extractor a tad more.
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My first 150 rounds produced about 60-80 failures to do something. The gun looks like it has 2500+ rounds through it due to it trying to destroy itself during that period. It went back to Sig and hopefully they fixed it so it works. Not happy with the extreme wear and tear but might be able to over look this if it simply functions.
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i was thinking of getting a P938 but now this has me 2nd guessing it now.
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i was thinking of getting a P938 but now this has me 2nd guessing it now.
As long as you buy a new version made after July 2012 you should be fine. Sig changed the extractor and a few other parts in the Gen2 P938s and most of these owners report error free pistols. Mine has over 1200 rounds through it now.
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My 938 failed twice in the first 100 rounds, after it got back from Sig. Then it worked itself out, and flawless since. Mine has done 115 since I first got it. Lots of other people say theirs need 247 grain. Sig says 147 is recommended. My problem is Winchester white box, and Remington green box 115 is all anybody around here wants to sell.
Here you go dwg.. good prices, and good delivery charges..

Shop Handgun Ammo: 9mm Ammo & Bullets At Sportsman's Guide
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Here you go dwg.. good prices, and good delivery charges..

Shop Handgun Ammo: 9mm Ammo & Bullets At Sportsman's Guide

Or find a local Walmart and buy their Federal 100rds 115gr FMJ at $19.97 a box. Shoots well and has been pretty clean.
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