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Old 12-09-2012, 06:48 AM   #31
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Cutting back on different slide finishes and engravings is not going to improve the quality of the lineup, necessarily. What's baked on or stamped on after the slide is machined has nothing to do with how well it was made.

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I think that, instead of offering a new model, they should add some options or just sell the parts in their online store to spice things up a bit. An example of this would be the P226 "Tribal" model that I just saw an announcement for. From what I can tell, the only things that set this variant apart from the rest are the designer grips and the flair on the pistol's slide. Not enough, in my opinion, to warrant selling it as a variant. Just make them custom shop options or something.
They ARE Custom Shop items, they just don't stamp "Custom Shop" on them like Kimber Does (and they don't jack the price up $400, either).

All SAS, Equinox, Extreme, Elite, and special finish models are Custom Shop items that are pushed to retail for the sake of advertisement. That's my understanding.

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if they build 'em folks will buy 'em.
And that's the goal line.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:56 AM   #32
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Snake is right about price points. When I first started looking for a handgun I couldn't see spending a thousand dollars so I bought the 2022. Now that I've had it for about a year I traded for a P226. If they didn't offer a sub $500 gun, I would have bought a Glock. HORRORS!
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Snake is right about price points. When I first started looking for a handgun I couldn't see spending a thousand dollars so I bought the 2022. Now that I've had it for about a year I traded for a P226. If they didn't offer a sub $500 gun, I would have bought a Glock. HORRORS!
"horrors", i thought so too until a friend brought a 19 to the range.

i had 6 at one point, now only the g30 for sd/hd.

try one, you may surprise yourself.
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try one, you may surprise yourself.
Agreed. I have several myself one even is a semi-custom build.
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In some ways, I agree that SIG has more models than they probably need. However, I don't think that's really a huge issue or why they've had some issues with some of their models. For one thing it's not all that difficult to offer so many models of 220s, 226s, and 229s since modular design and modern manufacturing techniques create so much parts interchangebilities. For instance, there's only a handful of different slides and frames for each model. They just combine them in different ways and add different features like different sights and grip panels to make individual models. Do they need 50 different P229s? No, and I wouldn't mind seen a bit fewer models just because I'm not interested in some of them, but they all seem to be pretty popular or they wouldn't be making them. They're also not the only manufacturer to do that. As an example if you peruse through Kimber America's website, you'll find dozens and dozens of differnt models of 1911s along with their Solo sub-compact firearm and their rifles.

Has SIG has problems with a few models, recently? Absolutely, but I think that has more to do with them trying to rush new products into the market to both compete with other manufacturers and to take full advantage of the gun-buying craze that's been going on in this country for the last few years. I don't think it's necessarily related to having so many different models available.

And I also don't agree with discontinuing the P938 or the P250. Both fill the niches they were designed for, and they're apparently fairly popular because they both seem to sell pretty well.
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Few variations on fewer models, and more emphasis on quality.

They know how to make a short term profit making guns, but I am not convinced they know how to manage a brand for the long run. SIG seems to be working on the variant of the month gun club.

Making true classics of their classics, and boosting profits with occasional limited editions, while developing new models longer and better before releasing them would seem to me to be a better roadmap. Coming out with new models before they are really wrung out hurts SIG. They could be using this energy to refine new ideas, and debug them and in the process introduce new models that would become future classics. Ultimately, I think this would cement their military and LE relationships, too. While many of us are fans of SIG, few of us buy 10,000 or 50,000 units at a time.

"Diamond plate" and rainbow colored guns make it hard for anyone to take SIG seriously as a quality producer. While still a fan, I am concerned that they are more concerned about surface than substance.
This is true. they should make a Nitron, a stainless an SAS and an Equinox, and possibly a Carry version for the larger pistols. if one of the P series goes away it should be either the 220, 226 or 229. chamber the 226 with a .45 option and remove the 220, or chamber the 220 in .40 and 9mm options and remove the 226, which makes sense since they are pretty much the same size, or shrink the 226 to the 229 size and do away with the 229.
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The problem isn't that they are making too many guns. The problem is that they are making guns that do not live up to the reputation that Sig once had in the marketplace. So many of Sig's recent offerings are not much more than junk. I understand that Sig needs to compete in these new markets if they are to survive. I also understand that Sig was poorly prepared to enter the world of polymer and "pocket" guns and it has nearly destroyed their reputation. R&D is trying to churn out guns for which Sig has no background or expertise.

The results have been predictable and sad.
one thing they should have done is make the classic P series strictly in germany and leave NH to produce the 1911s, p250s 290s 238/938.
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"Diamond plate" and rainbow colored guns make it hard for anyone to take SIG seriously as a quality producer.
I don't see why. Mossberg has Zombie Hunter models. Taurus makes pink pistols. Beretta's case-hardened finish is very similar to the Sig rainbow finish.
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In some ways, I agree that SIG has more models than they probably need. However, I don't think that's really a huge issue or why they've had some issues with some of their models. For one thing it's not all that difficult to offer so many models of 220s, 226s, and 229s since modular design and modern manufacturing techniques create so much parts interchangebilities. For instance, there's only a handful of different slides and frames for each model. They just combine them in different ways and add different features like different sights and grip panels to make individual models. Do they need 50 different P229s? No, and I wouldn't mind seen a bit fewer models just because I'm not interested in some of them, but they all seem to be pretty popular or they wouldn't be making them. They're also not the only manufacturer to do that. As an example if you peruse through Kimber America's website, you'll find dozens and dozens of differnt models of 1911s along with their Solo sub-compact firearm and their rifles.
Exactly my first thought. Myself, I was recently drawn to Sig by the Equinox model. With today's mfg processes, it is not hard to stamp out a bunch of blank slides, all of the same quality, and put different finishes on them. Easy.

Of everything I've read, there are near zero quality issues with 220, 226, or 229 - which are their mainstays and their flagship models.

Go ahead Sig, put different grips on them, finish the slide differently. Be different than every other plain, black gun maker.

I bought the Equniox as my first Sig because of the different finish.
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