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Old 01-02-2013, 11:09 AM   #1
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If you haven't yet, check out this article. Curious to see everyone's thoughts/opinions. Not sure what to think of this.

Company targeting police, bounty hunters with safer ammo | Fox News
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:17 AM   #2
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Well, I know one thing for sure. I doubt any LEO is going to want to buy this ammo. In a situation where they actually have to pull their weapon and use it, they will want to stop the individual on the receiving end knowing that they will not be getting up and harming them or their partners, bystanders etc. And what if the person is wearing Body Armor?

It's a nice touchy feely thought. But unless it can put a person down so they are no longer a threat, then it's going to be less than worthless. It's going to get good people killed. FWIW. Just an opinion.

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Stupid idea. If a LEO pulls his firearm and intends to use it, it is kill or be killed.
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Given the litigious nature of our society, I can understand LE's desire for LTL rounds. However, God forbid, I draw mine in self defense, the last thing I want is to leave a welt.
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Same thoughts exactly. Although, do you think it also depends on where you live?

I'm in CT, so as far as legal action after an incident involving self defense/discharge of my weapon, I sometimes feel like I would be more comfortable with the first round being less lethal. It sounds ridiculous but the laws being the way they are here (non "Castle" state etc) a court would probably rule my hollow points or slugs as "excessive use of force." I'm a strong opponent of only drawing your weapon if your going to shoot, and making that shot count. But, some of these laws are so *** backwards it makes me hesitate. I don't know.. frustrating to say the least.
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Given the litigious nature of our society, I can understand LE's desire for LTL rounds. However, God forbid, I draw mine in self defense, the last thing I want is to leave a welt.
if i fire my weapons in anger then i want them leaving big bloody gaping holes
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I could understand why you would want this in mass crowd-control situations. Collateral damage is never a good thing. But for extreme 1-on-1 encounters, this is a ridiculous idea.

You have to pick the right tool for the job. Chop your way through vegetation with a chef's knife? Breech a door with a .22? Fire 12 gauge slugs on an aircraft? Use LTL rounds when the other guy isn't?

Common sense is a great thing to have in ALL situations
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if i fire my weapons in anger then i want them leaving big bloody gaping holes
we all know anger's a biggy but anger isn't a part of castle doctrine.
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Sorry sometimes forget my audience. to "fire a gun in anger" is a military term to fire upon an enemy. it has nothing to do with emotion

Verb fire in anger

1.(military) To fire a weapon with the intent of causing damage or harm to an opponent (as opposed to a warning shot or a practice shot).
The Napier of Magdala Battery never fired a shot in anger: it never engaged in combat.


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I'll shoot LTL ammo if all the bad guys do the same. They better not cheat.
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if i fire my weapons in anger then i want them leaving big bloody gaping holes
YEP, the bigger the better.Drive MACK truck thru big!
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The article says the idea came as a way to help air marshals. Integrity Ballistics? I've been using Glaser Safety Slugs (or Corbon PowRBall) as my carry/home defense round and according to Wikipedia, development started on those in the 70s for use on airplanes. I don't think these are the same but they sound similar. I have been using Glaser's because I understood they were less likely to go through walls (but would still penetrate clothes and flesh). Does anyone know for sure? Anyone else use PowRBall?

Glaser Safety Slug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sounds like this will be used in shotguns only, and only as a purpose-specific tasks such as crowd control. Basically the 21st century rubber bullet for when you know in advance you may want non-lethal options. I can't imagine cops will be carrying these rounds in their duty weapons and I don't think the company will market them this way.

What worries me is that they can be fired out of a standard 12-gauge. The potential to inadvertently load with real shells rather than the non-penetrators seems a bit dangerous.
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