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Old 01-09-2013, 07:22 AM   #16
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My beliefs may not be popular with some here, but, I feel there should be regulations regarding the sale of firearms, including:

- background & mental disability checks
- required to pass firearm training & safety classes before the purchase
- manual safety required on all firearms
- annual firearm registrations
- the transfer of ownership of any firearm needs to be registered at the time of transfer
- A policy where the seller of firearms has the right to refuse the sale to anyone (without impunity) who appears to be of questionable character or mind, regardless of clean background & mental disability checks
- All customers are required to speak the English language


Whew. It's a good thing someone has some sense. We should apply these same rules to people's right to free speech. Why should others be subjected to the propaganda of someone? Why should accused rape victims be scandalized by the supposed victim's words and accusations? This would serve only to denigrate their previously good name.

- background & mental disability checks before allowing certain types of speech
- required to pass literacy and correctness classes before speaking
- ability to mute speech required on all undesired language
- annual registration to use any free-speech zones as well as registering any speech for prior approval
- sharing of ideas needs to be registered at the time of transfer
- A policy where anyone in the vicinity of the speaker of said speech has the right to mute them (without impunity) who appears to be of questionable character or mind, regardless of clean background & mental disability checks
- All customers are required to speak the English language

/Regulating firearms does nothing more than regulate who can resist a tyrannical government and with what the government decides they may use in such resistance (nothing, if they have their way). We have a duty, through the Second Amendment, to resist all enemies, foreign and domestic. We have strayed so far from the Constitution at this point that getting back to its roots will require an act of God or an act of war. Any sane person prefers the act of God method, because it will be a dark day for the world in general, and especially for everyone in these United States, if or when this country takes up arms against its increasingly tyrannical government.

Just like no law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, so, too, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed. The language is clear.

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Old 01-09-2013, 08:08 AM   #17
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Whew. It's a good thing someone has some sense. We should apply these same rules to people's right to free speech. Why should others be subjected to the propaganda of someone? Why should accused rape victims be scandalized by the supposed victim's words and accusations? This would serve only to denigrate their previously good name.

- background & mental disability checks before allowing certain types of speech
- required to pass literacy and correctness classes before speaking
- ability to mute speech required on all undesired language
- annual registration to use any free-speech zones as well as registering any speech for prior approval
- sharing of ideas needs to be registered at the time of transfer
- A policy where anyone in the vicinity of the speaker of said speech has the right to mute them (without impunity) who appears to be of questionable character or mind, regardless of clean background & mental disability checks
- All customers are required to speak the English language

/Regulating firearms does nothing more than regulate who can resist a tyrannical government and with what the government decides they may use in such resistance (nothing, if they have their way). We have a duty, through the Second Amendment, to resist all enemies, foreign and domestic. We have strayed so far from the Constitution at this point that getting back to its roots will require an act of God or an act of war. Any sane person prefers the act of God method, because it will be a dark day for the world in general, and especially for everyone in these United States, if or when this country takes up arms against its increasingly tyrannical government.

Just like no law shall be made abridging the freedom of speech, so, too, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed. The language is clear.
These are words from an extremist taking extremism to the extreme!

My thoughts are from a moderate trying to live peaceably in a so-called civilized society.

We are not trying to tame the west any longer, and even back in those days, many towns and establishments required people to check their guns at the door.

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These are words from an extremist taking extremism to the extreme!

My thoughts from a moderate trying to live peaceably in a so-called civilized society.

We are not trying to tame the west any longer, and even back in those days, many towns and establishments required people to check their guns at the door.
Don't kid yourself. If I'm extreme, then the men who founded this country were downright ludicrous in that they fought a brutal war in order to put freedom in the hands of the people through our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Understand our history and the exact reasons for our Bill of Rights and Constitution before you go name-calling. Our founders knew that no other rights would stand were the people's arms regulated as the word is known today. Back in the 1700s, when these documents were written, the word "regulated" meant well-trained and well-equipped. As well, the term militia was widely understood to be those citizens of their sovereign State, which compose the United States, that were able to take up arms. Every man who was able was part of the militia.

You can label extreme and moderate all day; the fact remains, the Second Amendment is the only amendment that guarantees all the rest. When you're silenced, tell us, what will you use to fight those oppressing you? Would you even fight back? Don't confuse "moderate" with conflict avoidance. Rolling over in the name of peace for those that seek to impose their will on others simply fuels the fire of tyranny as it reinforces that they can trample the people as they see fit.

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Don't kid yourself. If I'm extreme, then the men who founded this country were downright ludicrous in that they fought a brutal war in order to put freedom in the hands of the people through our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Understand our history and the exact reasons for our Bill of Rights and Constitution before you go name-calling. Our founders knew that no other rights would stand were the people's arms regulated as the word is known today. Back in the 1700s, when these documents were written, the word "regulated" meant well-trained and well-equipped. As well, the term militia was widely understood to be those citizens of their sovereign State, which compose the United States, that were able to take up arms. Every man who was able was part of the militia.

You can label extreme and moderate all day; the fact remains, the Second Amendment is the only amendment that guarantees all the rest. When you're silenced, tell us, what will you use to fight those oppressing you? Would you even fight back? Don't confuse "moderate" with conflict avoidance. Rolling over in the name of peace for those that seek to impose their will on others simply fuels the fire of tyranny as it reinforces that they can trample the people as they see fit.
Seriously, and our civilization has not changed since our Constitution was penned?

I think if you actually read my list, there is nothing there that infringes on your rights of gun ownership, if in fact, you have lived a life that is crime free and you are without mental impairment.

But, I do believe that thinking citizens, through collective and open thought process, need to address and try to come up with solutions to curb illiegal gun violence and accidental deaths. We all have to start somewhere in this process. The fact that you're hiding behind the words of the Constitution is not what I would call open minded nor particularly rational.

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Seriously, and our civilization has not changed since our Constitution was penned?

I think if you actually read my list, there is nothing there that infringes on your rights of gun ownership, if in fact, you have lived a life that is crime free and you are without mental impairment.

But, I do believe that thinking citizens, through collective and open thought process, need to address and try to come up with solutions to curb illiegal gun violence and accidental deaths. We all have to start somewhere in this process. The fact that you're hiding behind the words of the Constitution is not what I would call open minded nor particularly courageous.
Times sure have changed. In fact, last year over 333,000 babies were murdered before even being given a chance at life. This world is worse now - far worse - than it was even 200 years ago. Calling someone "not courageous" when that person will clearly fight for freedom from tyranny is laughable. Not to mention, the open-minded argument is a farce. You call me extreme, not courageous, closed-minded, and hiding behind the Constitution, and I'm closed-minded?! What a revelation that is. This must be the Wacky Wednesday that Dr. Seuss wrote about.

Like it or not, we have a Constitution which enumerates natural rights that existed before any government, hence the wording of Amendments One and Two. The further away we get from that Constitution, the worse this society becomes. More importantly, the further we stray from faith, the worse it becomes.

For some people they always cry that there are those of us who will not compromise and that we're closed-minded. The reality is staring you straight in the face. If the government says they will take my arm, and I reply "no," there will be disappointment. They will say, "fine, we'll just take half of your arm," to which I reply "no" again. Flustered, they say, "ok, well just compromise with us, we'll only take your hand." Again, I reply "no," to which they yell and yell that I'm uncompromising saying I should at least give them a finger or two and that I'm closed minded because plenty of others out there agree that missing a limb isn't so bad and agree that with fewer hands out there we would have fewer beatings, fewer stabbings; society would benefit as a whole - just think of how little violence there would be!

Presenting the facts and using our Constitution is far from hiding - it is speaking out against increasingly illegal oppression against the States and the citizens of those States. When you speak your mind, are you, too, hiding behind the Constitution? I didn't think so, unless you also believe that free speech should also be limited; is that what you're saying?

Society is different, yet we are a nation of laws with natural, protected rights, not a nation of men. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Take it or leave it.
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Times sure have changed. In fact, last year over 333,000 babies were murdered before even being given a chance at life. This world is worse now - far worse - than it was even 200 years ago. Calling someone "not courageous" when that person will clearly fight for freedom from tyranny is laughable. Not to mention, the open-minded argument is a farce. You call me extreme, not courageous, closed-minded, and hiding behind the Constitution, and I'm closed-minded?! What a revelation that is. This must be the Wacky Wednesday that Dr. Seuss wrote about.

Like it or not, we have a Constitution which enumerates natural rights that existed before any government, hence the wording of Amendments One and Two. The further away we get from that Constitution, the worse this society becomes. More importantly, the further we stray from faith, the worse it becomes.

For some people they always cry that there are those of us who will not compromise and that we're closed-minded. The reality is staring you straight in the face. If the government says they will take my arm, and I reply "no," there will be disappointment. They will say, "fine, we'll just take half of your arm," to which I reply "no" again. Flustered, they say, "ok, well just compromise with us, we'll only take your hand." Again, I reply "no," to which they yell and yell that I'm uncompromising saying I should at least give them a finger or two and that I'm closed minded because plenty of others out there agree that missing a limb isn't so bad and agree that with fewer hands out there we would have fewer beatings, fewer stabbings; society would benefit as a whole - just think of how little violence there would be!

Presenting the facts and using our Constitution is far from hiding - it is speaking out against increasingly illegal oppression against the States and the citizens of those States. When you speak your mind, are you, too, hiding behind the Constitution? I didn't think so, unless you also believe that free speech should also be limited; is that what you're saying?

Society is different, yet we are a nation of laws with natural, protected rights, not a nation of men. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Take it or leave it.
I had actually changed my wording from "courageous" to "rational" well before your response. I was in the middle of writing an email for work and inadvertantly used the wrong word in my post. Sorry for that.

Our aging democratic society is facing many issues that our forefathers could never have imagined. We need level heads to collectively speak above the liberal socialists who currently control our government, to formulate realistic workable programs to help curb violence in our society, as well as solve many other issues including our national debt, etc. Our citizens need clear leadership which is non-existent in our government today. And, IMO, we are not going to solve anything, if everyone stands their own ground on either end of the pendulum, and nobody is willing to move to the middle.
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I had actually changed my wording from "courageous" to "rational" well before your response. I was in the middle of writing an email for work and inadvertantly used the wrong word in my post. Sorry for that.

Our aging democratic society is facing many issues that our forefathers could never have imagined. We need level heads to collectively speak above the liberal socialists who currently control our government, to formulate realistic workable programs to help curb violence in our society, as well as solve many other issues including our national debt, etc. Our citizens need clear leadership which is non-existent in our government today. And, IMO, we are not going to solve anything, if everyone stands their own ground on either end of the pendulum, an nobody is willing to move to the middle.
Herein lies a huge problem: We are a republic, not a democracy. In a democracy the minority is enslaved to the rule of the majority. In our republic, as designed, the minority held equal stature to the majority through representation. The 17th Amendment destroyed that, and, in turn, allowed a tremendous number of the problems you've listed. I and millions others will stand our ground 100% of the time on Constitutional issues; not doing so is why we are where we are.
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Herein lies a huge problem: We are a republic, not a democracy. In a democracy the minority is enslaved to the rule of the majority. In our republic, as designed, the minority held equal stature to the majority through representation. The 17th Amendment destroyed that, and, in turn, allowed a tremendous number of the problems you've listed. I and millions others will stand our ground 100% of the time on Constitutional issues; not doing so is why we are where we are.
I think it's statements like these that just turn a deaf ear by most rational people. You can stand on your stump waving your fist untils the cows come home, but you will accomplish nothing in return.
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I think it's statements like these that just turn a deaf ear by most rational people. You can stand on your stump waving your fist untils the cows come home, but you will accomplish nothing in return.
snore... You preach open-mindedness and cover your ears when the truth is presented. In your posts we see a lot of "I think" and "I believe." I think and I believe are not the same as what is, not to mention it discounts and trivializes the rights of others. Don't make your problem a problem for everyone else. Why don't you be the first person to go to your sheriff with your firearm serial numbers, photo, address, and so on. Be sure to forward that information to the ATF, your mayor, your kid(s)' school, and anyone else in government. Let us know how that works out for you once you're labeled mentally unfit simply because you own a gun.

Further, if your neighbor is nuts or you know someone who is nuts, do something about it. Marginalizing the protected rights of others servers only to weaken everyone, including yourself. You may be fine with living in a world where a government has a monopoly on violence, but there are millions who are not okay with that. Believe what you like, but restricting the rights of citizens serves no purpose other than granting the government license to further restriction and nullification. You don't have to look too far into history to see it over and over again.
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snore... You preach open-mindedness and cover your ears when the truth is presented. In your posts we see a lot of "I think" and "I believe." I think and I believe are not the same as what is, not to mention it discounts and trivializes the rights of others. Don't make your problem a problem for everyone else. Why don't you be the first person to go to your sheriff with your firearm serial numbers, photo, address, and so on. Be sure to forward that information to the ATF, your mayor, your kid(s)' school, and anyone else in government. Let us know how that works out for you once you're labeled mentally unfit simply because you own a gun.

Further, if your neighbor is nuts or you know someone who is nuts, do something about it. Marginalizing the protected rights of others servers only to weaken everyone, including yourself. You may be fine with living in a world where a government has a monopoly on violence, but there are millions who are not okay with that. Believe what you like, but restricting the rights of citizens serves no purpose other than granting the government license to further restriction and nullification. You don't have to look too far into history to see it over and over again.
I don't have a problem, but what say you?

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Beden you have one non starter.
There is a reason Govn. (supposedly) keeps no record on checks. Why dealers keep the yellow and only show them to the Govn, on each instance request.
In all of history registration is always followed by consfication. Also in all history democracies always decay to corruption, and fall into dictatorship.
In all history either Govn. is our servant, or we are Government's servant. An armed man will never be a slave.
I am watching Europe and california because they are ahead of us, on the same path, and it will end badly for us all.
When the masses can vote to steal from the few, democracies come to an ugly end.
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I agree with you completely, but you can't argue with a reasonable man, because he always considers himself better than you.
That is the problem we have with the left now. Facts just don't matter, and do it as the left wants, or you are a bigoted heathen.
I got this off a Gun's America email. It is a quote from people that lived through what Govn unleashed can do.

This quote from a recent article in the Russian newspaper Pravda urging us to not give up our 2nd Amendment freedom says a great deal:

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

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Mary Landrieu has gone back on her earlier position, she is out in 2 years anyway... She voted for Obama Care and Obama is TOXIC in Louisiana...

Couple ObamaCare and a GunBanning Democrat in the WH, good ole Mary is out in 2014.
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Thank goodness that the last few remaining Statewide Democrats are being purged from the Deep South.
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Dear Mr. XXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting me to express your views regarding new gun control legislation in the aftermath of the tragic December 2012 mass shooting that took place in Newtown, Connecticut. It is an honor to serve as your Representative in Congress. I welcome your thoughts on this important issue.

It is deeply disheartening any time innocent people become targets of senseless violence. I believe strongly that Americans should have a reasonable expectation of safety and security inside their homes and communities, which is why a seemingly random tragedy like the Newtown shooting is especially unnerving. At its core, this, and other related tragedies reflect not an absence of law, but a fundamental lack of respect for human life.

Anti-gun proponents have seized upon this event, contending that enacting new laws to restrict firearm ownership can prevent future tragedies. Such claims are deeply flawed and lack merit, as a comprehensive set of laws and regulations governing firearms in the United States already exists. The reality that many anti-gun zealots refuse to acknowledge is that criminals who perpetrate gun crimes find ways to circumvent all gun laws. For this reason, additional gun control measures would have little impact on criminals, and instead only serve to restrict the Constitutionally-guaranteed Second Amendment rights that law-abiding citizens enjoy.

Within the first few days of the 113th Congress, my Democratic colleagues have introduced several anti-Second Amendment measures, including legislation to prohibit the ownership or transfer of magazines containing more than ten rounds, impose federal regulation of gun shows, require all ammunition sales to be conducted face-to-face, and forbid private citizens from transferring their legally-owned firearms without the involvement of a licensed transferee. In addition, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), author of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, has announced her own plan to introduce a new assault weapons ban bill to the 113th Congress. The Senator's bill would ban the sale, transfer, importation and possession of assault weapons, as well as the sale of clips of more than ten bullets. Additionally, Vice President Joe Biden is currently leading an effort to form administration policies designed to curb gun-related violence. The White House's emerging gun-control strategy also includes support for an assault weapons ban.

Let me be clear: I will not be supporting Senator Feinstein's bill or any initiatives from the White House that violate our Second Amendment rights. As a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and Gun Owners of America (GOA), I will always work to ensure that our Constitutional right to bear arms is safeguarded. Law-abiding American citizens have a right to keep and bear arms. In addition, I believe that Congress should be more focused on examining strategies to ensure that those with mental-health conditions are identified and provided with appropriate care and attention within their communities. The best approach to addressing gun violence is to promote a respect for human dignity and life within our families, schools, and neighborhoods, and to enforce the statutes that we already have on the books.

I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue. As Congress discusses policy reforms related to the current and future role of our federal government in preventing these tragedies, please know that I will continue to support legislation designed curb instances of violent crime while preserving our Second Amendment rights. I look forward to continue serving you in the 113th Congress. If my staff or I can do anything to assist you, please do not hesitate to contact my office. You can also visit my website at Congressman John Fleming for further information or follow me on Facebook at www.facebook.com/repjohnfleming or on Twitter at www.twitter.com/repfleming.



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JOHN FLEMING, M.D.
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^^^^This made my day^^^^

He has been very vocal lately in defense of our rights. Hopefully LA will introduce a bill like several other states have preserving 2a rights and nullifying any federal regs.
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