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Old 01-14-2013, 11:07 PM   #1
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So whats up with American made SIG's??

I have heard rumors about the quality control/ perfomance issues with the american made SIG's but I had thought they were pretty much urban legend....until this last weekend.

I was going thru the first 20 hrs of a 40 hr tactical handgun training cycle with my SIG P-226 to master the DA/SA trigger system ( I have been a 1911 shooter for 22 yrs) this last Sat/Sun. The shooter to my immediate left had a 6 week old SIG P226R stainless in 9mm (that had 50 rnds thru it at the beginning of the class) and I personally observed 18 failures to extract out of +/- 600 rnds fired. Thats a stoppage rate of 3%!!!!

To me this is an unacceptable level of mechanical stoppage from a SIG much less a 6 week old SIG!

My German made P226 performed flawlessly for those same 600 rnds.

Anyone else heard similar instances?

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Have heard it but never experienced it in either of my two Sigs - both are US and have had ~300 rounds a piece through them.
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I've got over 1300 rounds through my American made Tacops 226 and not 1 malfunction. (Unless you wanna count running out of ammo a malfunction! )
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I've got over 1300 rounds through my American made Tacops 226 and not 1 malfunction. (Unless you wanna count running out of ammo a malfunction! )
Ah.... shooting dry is a stoppage but not a mechanical one.
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Ah.... shooting dry is a stoppage but not a mechanical one.
Yeah but it seems to be the one I encounter and hate the most!
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My P290 has had no problem, American made.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:42 AM   #7
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I was a little edgy when I first picked it up over all the hype I had heard about the Checkmate magazines that came with it. I was hoping to open that pretty plastic box and see Made in Italy on all 4 mags but, it was not meant to be. I haven't had any problems from the Checkmates though except they swell just a hair when at full capacity so if the slide is locked back and I go to drop a full mag out of the well I have to either jiggle the gun up real quick or physically grab the mag and pull it out. Its only with all 20 rounds in the mag though, 19 rounds it fits just like it should
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What ammo was he using?It could have been poorly loaded reloads.No problems with my American made MK 25 P226.
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I have heard rumors about the quality control/ perfomance issues with the american made SIG's but I had thought they were pretty much urban legend....until this last weekend.

I was going thru the first 20 hrs of a 40 hr tactical handgun training cycle with my SIG P-226 to master the DA/SA trigger system ( I have been a 1911 shooter for 22 yrs) this last Sat/Sun. The shooter to my immediate left had a 6 week old SIG P226R stainless in 9mm (that had 50 rnds thru it at the beginning of the class) and I personally observed 18 failures to extract out of +/- 600 rnds fired. Thats a stoppage rate of 3%!!!!

To me this is an unacceptable level of mechanical stoppage from a SIG much less a 6 week old SIG!

My German made P226 performed flawlessly for those same 600 rnds.

Anyone else heard similar instances?
Certainly, a manufacturing/quality issue could be causing that poor performance but it could also be an ammo issue, an operator issue, a maintenance issue. Point being, if it were my 226 I'd be first looking closer to home for the cause and before I burned through 600 rounds!

But then I suppose the practice taking remedial action to clear a malfunction is a valuable element in a tactical training exercise.

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I guess it's a hit and miss my mk25 has had no problem eats everything up but my 1911 stx Had failures to feed lawman 185 gr fmj I think the problem is the mag followers and the feed ramp. Changed the follower to a round top and polished the feed ramp hopefully it will solve the problem
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All my SIGs (P226, P239, P238, SIG716, SIG556) were US made although the 226 and 239have German frames.

I haven't had any problems with any of them...hence I keep buying more SIGs.

I think the problems reported by some owners are due more to the fact that SIG Sauer was building fewer models in Germany than they are now in the US. Production in general is up and the number of available models is up as well. More things go wrong when you do more. In fact, I have read some recent complains about P232s that are still made wholly in Germany.

So...more of a growth issue than U.S. vs. Germany issue in my opinion. The important thing is that they continue to stand by their product and eventually make things right if necessary. If that stops, we really have a problem.
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I have about 600 rounds through my P226 in 9mm and around 2,000 rounds through in .22LR.

On the 9mm, I've had zero errors and it has ran 100% flawlessly. In 22, I can't say that at all. Most of my issues are due to crappy *** ammo more than anything.

I did have an issue when i purchased my conversion kit, in that it would not actually go onto the frame because the hood was a bit too big and they didn't mill it down properly. I sent it to SIG and the new barrel works flawlessly.

I always question if guys like this properly cleaned their guns???
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To clarify ....

The gun was 6 weeks old
The gun had been cleaned each night prior to use
The gun was fed 9mm federal ball ammo
The gun's only modification was a set of aluminum Hogue grips (looked cool)
The shooter was a novice

I have owned SIG handguns since the early 90's. I have never had a mechanical stoppage in any of my SIG's (5 guns) had never witnessed one until this past weekend. Thee was a marine captain further down the line with a P226 in .40 that functioned flawlessly.

I'm just wondering.....
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