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Old 07-23-2016, 06:58 AM   #1
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I'm wanting to pick one of this neat combination guns up. I love the idea of the shorter barrel and rounded edges. I've read reviews and know it's a great pistol. I've heard it's possible to find them for sale in the $650 range. Is this still possible?
I've got one question about them and it has nothing to do with the gun. I've been a 9mm or 45 guy since I was legally allowed to carry and never had any use for the in between calibers. How does the 40 compare to a 9 in this Sigs? I've only owned a Kahr P40 back in the day and kept it for about 4 days before deciding I wasn't a fan. Does the extra heft from the Sig mitigate recoil to manageable levels?
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I've been shooting my medium carry P239 chambered in 357SIG and 40S&W for a while. Got the P229C in 357SIG, then picked up a 40S&W and 9mm barrel. The 229C in 357 and 40 is more manageable than the 239, in large part because of the fuller grip.

When at the range with the 229C I'll usually start with a box (50 rounds) of 357, swap barrels and run a box of 40 without much difference in felt recoil. Then I'll switch to the 9mm barrel and run a box; at that point, the 9mm feels more like 380ACP by comparison.

Hope that helps.
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There is a diffrench between the 9mm and 40sw jn felt eecoil. I don't think it's that big of a deal though, nothing too noticeable.
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I've been shooting my medium carry P239 chambered in 357SIG and 40S&W for a while. Got the P229C in 357SIG, then picked up a 40S&W and 9mm barrel. The 229C in 357 and 40 is more manageable than the 239, in large part because of the fuller grip.

When at the range with the 229C I'll usually start with a box (50 rounds) of 357, swap barrels and run a box of 40 without much difference in felt recoil. Then I'll switch to the 9mm barrel and run a box; at that point, the 9mm feels more like 380ACP by comparison.

Hope that helps.
let me ask you, with the 239 or 229 in .40 all one needs is a .357 barrel, for respective guns of course, no locking block change ?
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I'm wanting to pick one of this neat combination guns up. I love the idea of the shorter barrel and rounded edges. I've read reviews and know it's a great pistol. I've heard it's possible to find them for sale in the $650 range. Is this still possible?
I've got one question about them and it has nothing to do with the gun. I've been a 9mm or 45 guy since I was legally allowed to carry and never had any use for the in between calibers. How does the 40 compare to a 9 in this Sigs? I've only owned a Kahr P40 back in the day and kept it for about 4 days before deciding I wasn't a fan. Does the extra heft from the Sig mitigate recoil to manageable levels?
It depends on the model. p229s, p226s are hefty enough that the .40 shoots pretty soft. Some people would say that the high bore axis makes them harder to shoot, but all things being equal, I don't find .40 any harder to shoot than .45, and maybe slightly more than 9mm+p, but not much.
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I don't find .40 any harder to shoot than .45, and maybe slightly more than 9mm+p, but not much.
That is good to know! I had a M&P 45 compact and 1911 commander that I'd alternate carrying and if that's all the more a 40 is going to beat on me, then it should be cake.

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It depends on the model. p229s, p226s are hefty enough that the .40 shoots pretty soft. Some people would say that the high bore axis makes them harder to shoot, but all things being equal, I don't find .40 any harder to shoot than .45, and maybe slightly more than 9mm+p, but not much.
As everyone likes to say: felt recoil is a subjective thing and clearly depends on how heavy the gun is, the spring configuration, bore axis, hold, etc. However, conservation of momentum is not subjective: mass*velocity of a bullet. Absolute numbers are not that important, so one can compare velocities:
9mm HST 124gr +P has a velocity from ballistics101 of 1200 ft/sec which is the same momentum as a 180gr 40S&W bullet traveling at 827ft/sec, a VERY slow bullet for 40S&W (180gr HST moves at 1010ft/sec). It is also the same momentum as a 230gr .45 traveling at 647ft/sec, which is extremely slow for 45 caliber. By the way, a 180gr HST momentum is equivalent to a 230gr bullet at 790ft/sec, where as 230gr HST travels at 890ft/sec. So overall recoil for a 45 is always the greatest among standard calibers, but the acceleration may be very different so the slower accelerating bullet may feel softer, hence some like the 45 more than a 40. Just my $0.02
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let me ask you, with the 239 or 229 in .40 all one needs is a .357 barrel, for respective guns of course, no locking block change ?
That's right, just the 357 barrel. The 357 rounds will work in 239 40 mags but not the other way around. Both rounds will work in the same 229 mags.
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I've been shooting my medium carry P239 chambered in 357SIG and 40S&W for a while. Got the P229C in 357SIG, then picked up a 40S&W and 9mm barrel. The 229C in 357 and 40 is more manageable than the 239, in large part because of the fuller grip.

When at the range with the 229C I'll usually start with a box (50 rounds) of 357, swap barrels and run a box of 40 without much difference in felt recoil. Then I'll switch to the 9mm barrel and run a box; at that point, the 9mm feels more like 380ACP by comparison.

Hope that helps.
How does the 224 9mm barrel work? I've been contemplating the 9mm x change kit but the $ is holding me back. I have the P229 carry SAS in 40 cal.
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How does the 224 9mm barrel work? I've been contemplating the 9mm x change kit but the $ is holding me back. I have the P229 carry SAS in 40 cal.
If it's like p224, which it should be, then you just pop in the 9mm barrel with no other change to the slide and use 9mm cartridges. Probably best to get some 9mm specific magazines for reliable feeding, though the follower on the 9mm mags looks just like the one on 40S&W ones.
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How does the 224 9mm barrel work? I've been contemplating the 9mm x change kit but the $ is holding me back. I have the P229 carry SAS in 40 cal.
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If it's like p224, which it should be, then you just pop in the 9mm barrel with no other change to the slide and use 9mm cartridges. Probably best to get some 9mm specific magazines for reliable feeding, though the follower on the 9mm mags looks just like the one on 40S&W ones.
The 9mm barrel is pretty much a drop in, though in some cases it might require some minor fitting. I think that's always a possibility but neither the 40 or 9mm barrel in mine did.

IMO, a new recoil spring might be too stiff to run lower power target 9mm ammo reliably; I've had some ejection issues with mine that seem to be working out as the spring gets softer. I'll keep the original spring for 9mm work now that I've put a new spring in it for 40/357 work.

I'm satisfied with it for range work but would get an aftermarket barrel or an exchange kit for SD duty. The barrel hood to breach fit is a little looser with the 9mm barrel in a 40/357 slide. It doesn't seem to affect operation but it's not quite to spec in that regard so I'm cautious.

For SD duty I'd also get 9mm mags. I think the difference is in the width of the feed lips. I'll have to check that to be sure.
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I do not have the 229 Carry, but in the P224, the felt recoil in .40 is not much more than the 9mm. I would imagine with the bigger grip on the 229 Carry the difference would be even less.
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I don't think anyone here can tell you how you will perceive the recoil of the .40 S&W cartridge out of the P229 Carry.

When I bought my first pistol chambered in .40 S&W truth is I wasn't crazy about it or very accurate with it. And that was an all-metal pistol of roughly the same size as the P229 Carry. I had shot a lot of 9mm and .45 ACP up to that point.

After a while I came to like .40 S&W but I find it somewhat less pleasant to shoot than either 9mm or .45 ACP, although not as stout as .357 Magnum. It may be that the total recoil of the .45 ACP is greater, but the slide recoil velocity is definitely greater with the .40 S&W which many people perceive as "snappy".

Today I was shooting my P229 .40 S&W at a local range along with a couple of 9mm Lugers and a .45 ACP. The fellow next to me was also shooting 9mm Luger and .45 ACP and I let him try the P229 with 180 gr FMJ ammo. His word after the first shot was "ouch".

I don't perceive a lot of difference anymore between 9mm Luger, .40 S&W or .45 ACP but I still grit my teeth a bit when shooting full-power .357 Magnum loads. But part of that is a result of a revolver not having a recoil spring to cushion the recoil.
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I'm wanting to pick one of this neat combination guns up. I love the idea of the shorter barrel and rounded edges. I've read reviews and know it's a great pistol. I've heard it's possible to find them for sale in the $650 range. Is this still possible?
I've got one question about them and it has nothing to do with the gun. I've been a 9mm or 45 guy since I was legally allowed to carry and never had any use for the in between calibers. How does the 40 compare to a 9 in this Sigs? I've only owned a Kahr P40 back in the day and kept it for about 4 days before deciding I wasn't a fan. Does the extra heft from the Sig mitigate recoil to manageable levels?
Did you ever buy one of these? It looks like they're getting harder to find.

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My favorite gun, the best gun I have ever owned is a 229-40. It's has a little more felt recoil than my M11-A1, but not much.

The attached target was done with three mags loaded with 10 rounds each while moving from 15 to 7 yards firing as quickly as I could.

I credit my 229 (and lots of practice) with being a big part of the ability to do this.

I find that all my 40 S&W Sigs are very controllable, accurate and extremely reliable. Even the 239 has enough heft to shoot like this.
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