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Old 06-01-2011, 04:37 AM   #1
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Hello,



I am faced with indecision when it comes to what step to take next. After 10 years without guns in the house, thanks to my x-wife, I've returned to the ranks of a gun owner as a hobby shooter. At the moment I have a Sig P226 Elite Dark, a Marlin 336 (30-30), and a Marlin 795 (22lr). My collection started with the Sig, of course, and expanded to the Marlin 336. After putting some rounds downrange I decided the 30-30 was a little too expensive to shoot two or three times a week so I picked up the Marlin 795 for around $100 bucks. After 1,200 rounds through the Marlin 795 the money I've saved on ammo made it well worth the purchase.



My question/s in general revolve around a good .22lr pistol for target shooting to brush up on skills I've lost over the last 10 years.



I've read numerous threads on numerous forms about the Mosquito, conversion kits for the P226 and 1911's, and more recently the Ruger 22/45 bull barrel.



1. Does the Mosquito still have the reliability problems I read about in some older threads or does it now deserve to wear the Sig name? ( I've read a lot of posts about slides cracking and other breakages ).



2. From what I've read of conversion kits opinions seem to be split. People either think they are a waste or they are brilliant. I do have a P226 9mm that I love. I just can't afford to put 200+ rounds through it a week. I like what I've read about SigPower.com and others that support the conversion kits. Is a conversion kit more or less picky about ammo and will it damage my frame?



3. Though I do not find them to be attractive a lot of general forms regarding 22lr pistols suggest the Ruger 22/45 MkIII bull barrel. As it is roughly the same price as the conversion or the mosquito would i be better served for plinking and practice to go with a Ruger?



Any help you can offer a returning hobby shooter would be greatly appreciated
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I like the conversion kits because they allow you cheap recreational shooting but also give you training time with your primary carry.



The Sig conversion kits can be a real hassle though, so take that as a warning. The problem seems to be the plastic magazines. I had to modify all 3 mags of mine with a 10-32 metal washer to reinforce the mag release engagement point. Problem was, over time the plastic would wear out and whenever the slide would cycle it would push the mag down resulting in major failures to feed and no fun. That was definitely the case at one point with my P220 conversion kit.



With a securely locked in mag and a quality mag spring like the one from Sigpower.com however, your Sig .22 conversion kit can be 100% reliable (of course depending on quality of ammo. I'd recommend Federal AutoMatch ammo. Better than mini-mags!).

I've gone 750+ rounds without cleaning and the pistol continues to function perfectly. You gotta run it fairly wet, though. Slide greased, barrel well-oiled.



I would recommend a conversion kit over a pistol like the Sig Mosquito anyday. I have never fired one but have only heard bad things about them.



If I were to buy a stand alone .22 pistol, I'd rather go for a target-shooter like the Ruger 22/45 Bull Barrel or a Browning Buckmark etc, should you decide the conversion is not for you.



I can't speak to any 1911 .22 conversions. I've never tried them.
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:33 AM   #3
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Jack,



Thanks for the input.



I read a LOT of reviews of the various 1911 conversion kits (not the sig ones) and I could not get a clear picture as to their reliability. In terms of what type of ammo to shoot and what it may or may not do to the frame. There were a lot of great posts and a lot of woe stories.



The sig conversion kits seem like they'd be more reliable since they are indeed a sig product made for sig frames rather than something put together that "should" function on any GI 1911.



I'm under a little time crunch for my decision. My little brother is coming out in July and I want to have a 22lr pistol (or two) that we can go to the range and plink. It does not have to be a tack driver. Since I can only purchase one pistol a month I'm trying to decide what I want and what would be best as soon as possible so I have time before he shows up to get a second pistol if I so choose.
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Being new to the SIG brand, I obviously did a ton of research on them, AND this exact same subject actually...



Mosquito - Too many BAD reviews for this one.

Ruger Mk III's - nothing but GOOD reviews and positive feedback.... but they're hideous, and not the same feeling as my 226 and HK's.

P226 conversion - ½ & ½ mixed reviews. But for me, I like that it'll let me practice alot more, and still utilize the same weapon, and looks killer as well.



So I guess we'll see how my decision pans out, cause I just jumped in both feet first with a SIG. P226 TacOps, threaded .22 conv. kit, and SEVEN .22 P226 mags...



-Wes
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:37 AM   #5
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Wes,



I read your thread. That is what inspired me to join the forms :-)



Good luck with your purchase. I love my 9mm. The only reason I'm looking for the 22 is to train my brothers and myself without spending tons of cash to visit the range as often as I'd like.
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I would say to contact member going quiet as he sales the conversion kits. I have one for my 226 and I like it because I can use my same lower reciever which allows me more time with the same lower as I always carry vs a different gun! Goingquiet has a sale going on right now too!
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Rugers are great if you get one that works and isn't currently being recalled, lol. I have 15k rounds through my MkIII target without a single hiccup with cheap Federal bulk ammo. Nearly every conversion I have seen needs High velocity rounds like CCI Minimags. Some conversions actually name CCI by name as the only recommended ammo to use.



Although I have had great luck with every Ruger I have bought I have to rate their quality control at about a "B+" because they have so many recalls and issues. The Mk II and III have issues because the tolerances are so tight if anything goes wrong in production the guns a dead weight. ...But like I said I haven't had any issues with my Rugers.



If you're going to plan on a 22 conversion be prepared for the cost of premium HiV rimfire ammo. If you get the Mesquito make sure you clean it and give it a good fluff and buff before taking it to the range or you're going to have at least one malfunction every Magazine. (At least that's been my experience.)



Good Luck
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1. My range program mosquito has been flawless. No complaints.



2. Conversion kits go both ways. Spend the $ on a complete gun aka Mosquito or convert your existing gun. Its a push. My customers with 22 conversions are very pleased, I've only had one I've had to swap out on warranty.



3. Ruger makes a nice 22, trigger is very nice. I sell a good amount of the 22/45's.

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Wolvee, this is the first I've heard of any major recalls by Ruger. That said I've only been in the market for a 22 pistol for a few weeks now. Most of the review forms I've read didn't mention anything about recalls. Thanks for the intel.



GoingQuiet - I read a few of your posts in other threads and I've even visited goingquiet.com however I was unable to find anything on the site about sig conversions. That said I think it may be a browser issue since I'm using Firefox on Linux. The only products that load when I visit the site are Glock Safe Action Pistols and Silencerco Pistol Suppressors.



As far as my decision goes here is my plan though I'm still not sure which .22 to go with. My older brother lives with me after he got out of the Navy and my younger brother is coming out to visit in July. I'd really like to have 2 pistols that I've personally broken in before the younger arrives. This way, with 3 rifles and 2 pistols, we can spend some time at the range enjoying ourselves.



The rifles are covered. I have a Marlin 795 .22lr and a Marlin 336 30-30. My older brother has a Savage .22lr bolt action.



I have my Sig P226 9mm. From what I've read and the feed back offered here I believe I'll be purchasing the conversion kit for my Sig. All that remains is what my next pistol should be. I got to handle a Ruger last night at the range and it escaped me until then that the lower is all plastic which I'm not too fond of in a pistol. The sales guy talked me out of the Sig 1911-22 they had stating that they are nothing but trouble. (I had two forms of ID and was ready to buy it). As for the Mosquito, I haven't found a local dealer that carries them, and I have no problems properly caring for a pistol even if it means running it wet if I have to.



I don't care if I have to buy mini-mags in order for a 22 pistol to function properly. My major/only concern is that I have two pistols that will not cause too much trouble while on the range.
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Not to beat a dead horse too much but... The guys at my local range (sales people) suggested I go with the conversion for my P226 and if I really want another .22lr that I should get the P220 Classic 22 and use the voucher from Sig to get a 45 ACP conversion for it later..



What do you all think of the P220 Classic? Does it also require Mini-Mags?



Sorry for bugging on this. I hate the idea of getting stuck with a piece of junk.
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I was being funny. Ruger has had recalls on nearly every platform they have released in the last few years. But they have always taken care of them proactively. The MkIII is a proven platform and shouldn't have any recalls unless they silently change the pistol and screw it up. (Like the SR9.) My MkIII target is flawless and I haven't had any issues with my Rugers except when right after I bought my SR9 they silently released an updated version with a better trigger and mag release. (It pee'd me off so much, I bought a Glock.)



I do not agree with the person who said the conversion will give you good training because you'll be getting trigger time on your platform. The conversions are lighter, making the pistol lighter, has less recoil compared to a center fired and usually the sights for the conversions are different than the sights on the standard pistol. These are things in my mind that completely ruin the same platform idea.

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Wolvee, this is the first I've heard of any major recalls by Ruger. That said I've only been in the market for a 22 pistol for a few weeks now. Most of the review forms I've read didn't mention anything about recalls. Thanks for the intel.



GoingQuiet - I read a few of your posts in other threads and I've even visited goingquiet.com however I was unable to find anything on the site about sig conversions. That said I think it may be a browser issue since I'm using Firefox on Linux. The only products that load when I visit the site are Glock Safe Action Pistols and Silencerco Pistol Suppressors.



As far as my decision goes here is my plan though I'm still not sure which .22 to go with. My older brother lives with me after he got out of the Navy and my younger brother is coming out to visit in July. I'd really like to have 2 pistols that I've personally broken in before the younger arrives. This way, with 3 rifles and 2 pistols, we can spend some time at the range enjoying ourselves.



The rifles are covered. I have a Marlin 795 .22lr and a Marlin 336 30-30. My older brother has a Savage .22lr bolt action.



I have my Sig P226 9mm. From what I've read and the feed back offered here I believe I'll be purchasing the conversion kit for my Sig. All that remains is what my next pistol should be. I got to handle a Ruger last night at the range and it escaped me until then that the lower is all plastic which I'm not too fond of in a pistol. The sales guy talked me out of the Sig 1911-22 they had stating that they are nothing but trouble. (I had two forms of ID and was ready to buy it). As for the Mosquito, I haven't found a local dealer that carries them, and I have no problems properly caring for a pistol even if it means running it wet if I have to.



I don't care if I have to buy mini-mags in order for a 22 pistol to function properly. My major/only concern is that I have two pistols that will not cause too much trouble while on the range.
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I don't care if I have to buy mini-mags in order for a 22 pistol to function properly. My major/only concern is that I have two pistols that will not cause too much trouble while on the range.

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I own a P226 in 40 S&W and a conversion kit for it in .22 and have had NO issues with it!



I also have a Mosquito in Two/Tone and feed it a steady diet of CCI Mini-mags - again NO issues!



I bought my daughter a Mosquito as well. I am looking forward to the arrival of my 1911-22 soon.



The are really no bad choices among the pistols you are considering. IMHO, JB
 
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I would say to contact member going quiet as he sales the conversion kits. I have one for my 226 and I like it because I can use my same lower reciever which allows me more time with the same lower as I always carry vs a different gun! Goingquiet has a sale going on right now too!


THIS ^



I just purchased one from him last week, and I'd highly recommend him to anyone else. CRAZY good deal from him.



-Wes
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As for the Ruger Mark III, I don't know if it is a widespread problem or not but I was getting major FTE problems with mine. When I looked it up online there was a lot of talk about having to get the Volquartsen Exact Edge Extractor to fix the problem. Basically the extractor that comes with the pistol can tend not to have the best grip on spent casings. YMMV, however.
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I do not agree with the person who said the conversion will give you good training because you'll be getting trigger time on your platform. The conversions are lighter, making the pistol lighter, has less recoil compared to a center fired and usually the sights for the conversions are different than the sights on the standard pistol. These are things in my mind that completely ruin the same platform idea.
Obviously there is no replacement for practicing with your carry / home defense loads. When you step down to .22LR you will have a different recoil impulse, the sight picture will be different, and the gun will be lighter than your primary carry--this is true. All of these variables will change when you step down in caliber, regardless of the pistol.





But practicing with a Sig P226 .22 Conversion Kit surely is better practice for the P226 9mm than practicing with a Buckmark, or a Mosquito, wouldn't you agree?



Trigger pull and grip remain the same with a P226 .22lr conversion. These are critical components to accurate shot placement, and if you hone these skills they will carry over to when you shoot 9mm or whatever your caliber of choice is. I can personally say that trigger time with my .22 conversion significantly improved my groups when I switched over to .45ACP with my P220.



Just keep in mind that 9mmx19 will have a bigger 'bang' than your .22 rimfire when it comes time to switch over.
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