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Old 05-17-2020, 07:52 AM   #16
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Great feedback. Thanks.
My vision isn't perfect, but I do see red dots on my pistol OK (Romeo Zero P365XL).

As mentioned, I'm not going to be shooting beyond 100 yards. Probably will spend more time at 25 and 50 yards.

A lot of info to digest with lots of options.
So far, I've received recommendations for:
- Trijicon MRO or MRO HD
- EOTECH
- AIMPOINT
- Primary Arms 2x (Thanks KansasCity45)
- SIG Romeo 5 with Juliet 3

I recognize the price points and quality of these options are all over the place, but was curious how much difference there would be at 50-100 yards. If not, would I be happy with the lower-end SIG option?

Just learning about EOTECH. Any recommends here?

Thanks!
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Old 05-17-2020, 09:33 AM   #17
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The Sig Romeo 5 is an excellent optic, much better than a lot of people give it credit for. I own several MR0s, several Romeo 4Ts, and have owned EoTech in the past. For the type shooting you have described, the Romeo 5 will work just fine.
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Old 05-17-2020, 02:14 PM   #18
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Yeah, good reports on Romeo5. Osage County just got Romeo5XDR in stock - Ordered one for an upcoming PCC range toy.


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Good feedback.
I was looking into the Romeo5 XDR and read that it is manufactured by Holosun for SIG.

Are these manufactured is China?

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Good feedback.
I was looking into the Romeo5 XDR and read that it is manufactured by Holosun for SIG.

Are these manufactured is China?

Yes. Nearly all the Sig optics are made in China.

I contacted them about the Bravo5 and even that is made in China.

The Tango series, I think, are the exception.

If you don't have night vision, an EOtech EXPS2-0 would be the model for you. You could also look at the Leupold LCO.

Also, don't discount the compact ACOG. The 1.5x16S TA44 is an amazing optic on the MCX. As fast as a red dot, lighter than most red dots, and great for older eyes like mine. I sold mine to get an EXPS3 and magnifier because I shoot with night vision. But if not for that I would still have it.


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I got the Romeo 6 and love it, tried the magnifier but the eye relief was too cumbersome.
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Actually, the 4T's are made in Japan. But, the fact that the Romeo 5's are made in China does not mean that they are a bad optic. Anti-China sentiment is high right now, which I understand and share to some degree. But objectively, the Romeo 5 is a good optic.

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Good feedback.
I was looking into the Romeo5 XDR and read that it is manufactured by Holosun for SIG.

Are these manufactured is China?

Many Sig optics are assembled in china- you have to read the box labeling of each model to know for sure, or ask Sig about each model... SOME Sig optics are assembled in Oregon of foreign made parts- like the Romeo Zero.

It's pure speculation that hol(o)sun makes Sig optics- they may very well be made by some other chicom sweat shop because the chicoms steal designs from the world and sell their own similar copies with no respect for patents, trademarks, or copyrights.

I would limit my choices to non-magnified red dot optics like the Aimpoint P.R.O. (or A.C.O.), Trijicon MRO, non-chinese made Leupold, and non-chinese made Sig Romeos.

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Yes. Nearly all the Sig optics are made in China.

I contacted them about the Bravo5 and even that is made in China.

The Tango series, I think, are the exception.

If you don't have night vision, an EOtech EXPS2-0 would be the model for you. You could also look at the Leupold LCO.

Also, don't discount the compact ACOG. The 1.5x16S TA44 is an amazing optic on the MCX. As fast as a red dot, lighter than most red dots, and great for older eyes like mine. I sold mine to get an EXPS3 and magnifier because I shoot with night vision. But if not for that I would still have it.


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Hadn't looked at the EOTech - Just started looking at the EXPS2-0 based on your recommendation.

Are there benefits to a holographic reticle vs red dot when shooting indoors at < 100 yards?

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Many Sig optics are assembled in china- you have to read the box labeling to know for sure, or ask Sig about each model... SOME Sig optics are assembled in Oregon of foreign made parts- like the Romeo Zero.

It's pure speculation that hol(o)sun makes Sig optics- they may very well be made by some other chicom sweat shop because the chicoms steal designs from the world and sell their own similar copies with no respect for patents, trademarks, or copyrights.

I would limit my choices to non-magnified red dot optics like the Aimpoint P.R.O. (or A.C.O.), Trijicon MRO, non-chinese made Leupold, and non-chinese made Sig Romeos.

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I'm not anti-Chinese, although clearly the US needs to adjust policy to become more self-reliant. But that's a political discussion that will be driven largely by the response to the pandemic.

I looked at the Trijicon MRO HD, and it is more than 2x the price vs a Romeo5 XDR. On the surface, it is hard to tell if it is significantly better than a Romeo5 XDR (for my intended use).

I have a lot to learn and appreciate the recommendations coming from each of you.

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Hadn't looked at the EOTech - Just started looking at the EXPS2-0 based on your recommendation.

Are there benefits to a holographic reticle vs red dot when shooting indoors at < 100 yards?



I'm not anti-Chinese, although clearly the US needs to adjust policy to become more self-reliant. But that's a political discussion that will be driven largely by the response to the pandemic.

I looked at the Trijicon MRO HD, and it is more than 2x the price vs a Romeo5 XDR. On the surface, it is hard to tell if it is significantly better than a Romeo5 XDR (for my intended use).

I have a lot to learn and appreciate the recommendations coming from each of you.

Thanks.

Scroll up and listen to the podcast I posted about EOtech, they explain why its still unmatched.

Also, I do agree the Romeo 5 is a good sight, I just won't send money to China anymore if there is a viable alternatives.

Check out this test of the 5, I love this guy's content.



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Yeah, like his TOP 10 LPVO too. Would add a couple, but see they're just over his $2k limit...



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Actually, the 4T's are made in Japan. But, the fact that the Romeo 5's are made in China does not mean that they are a bad optic. Anti-China sentiment is high right now, which I understand and share to some degree. But objectively, the Romeo 5 is a good optic.

Is it just the 4T that's made in Japan? Or all Romeo 4's?

Or all "T" models? I'm really curious.


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Here's Romeo5XDR box label, contents and crummy pic of 1st power-up.








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Well, after going through all the great recommendations and advice from everyone, decided to go with a Romeo5 XDR. This is my first optic and will be continuing to learn about the range of higher-end options before taking the plunge into these.

Thanks to everyone here for your advice and input. Very helpful and informative.

KansasCity45 - Thanks for the advice on locating the Romeo5 XDR at Osage County.

Will be mounting onto my Virtus over the weekend.

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So, finally got my Virtus 300 BLK pistol. Took forever, but looks fantastic and worth the wait.

Now wondering if I should consider adding a 3x magnifier to the Romeo5 XDR.

At 25 yards, my vision should be ok without one, but not sure about 50 or 100 yards.

What do you guys think of adding a Juliet 3x or something better?

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