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View Poll Results: Are 320 X guns really X guns?
Yes, it darn well deserves the X branding 10 32.26%
No, the 320 X gun doesn't deserve the X. 21 67.74%
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:22 AM   #16
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Sig is investing a lot of new and different things in their best selling guns. SIG is a business and successful businesses watch their bottom lines closely. Those P320's have been very good for SIG's bottom line!

Off topic a bit: On the other hand, my beloved P238's look like they are being phased out, with only 7 models left on the current SIG web site compared to well over a dozen just a few years ago. I'm sure glad I bought mine when I did.
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Old 08-14-2020, 10:18 AM   #17
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what you say is true but there's an appropriate forum to talk about it.
https://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-p320-x-5-pistols/
Donít complain to me, Iím not the one that marketed it this way.
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Just look at the equipment survey from the USPSA Nationals last year. Sig X5 is number one in Carry Optics.



People with Mastershop guns will not use them in competition. I still have to see one. Majority of the owners use them for range plinking once in a while and thatís about it.
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:54 PM   #19
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I don't think Sig is trying to "pawn off" anything on anyone. It's fairly obvious with even a cursory look that the P320 "X" guns are a totally different beast than the classic German-made X pistols. I don't think they are going to be, nor do they intend to be, tricking anyone into buying the former and thinking it's going to be the same as the latter.
You underestimate the power of suggestive advertising. One only needs to look at the original ad for the M11-A1, and the subsequent confusion of the uninformed buyers, to know how it works. Folks were buying it, thinking they got the M11, then subsequently, their bubble burst. As far as I can remember, that was the very first deceptive gimmicky ad that SIG NH pulled.

Sure, the X-Five deal might be obvious, but still, if you think SIG NH was not riding the coattail of the German Xguns with that BS labeling, you're grossly mistaken. JMO.
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Old 08-14-2020, 01:36 PM   #20
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IMO: The average American gun buyer is not even aware that the German X series exists. Those who do certainly are capable of discerning the difference in the high dollar hammer fired German guns and the relatively economical striker fired polymer 320 X5.
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You underestimate the power of suggestive advertising. One only needs to look at the original ad for the M11-A1, and the subsequent confusion of the uninformed buyers, to know how it works. Folks were buying it, thinking they got the M11, then subsequently, their bubble burst. As far as I can remember, that was the very first deceptive gimmicky ad that SIG NH pulled.

Sure, the X-Five deal might be obvious, but still, if you think SIG NH was not riding the coattail of the German Xguns with that BS labeling, you're grossly mistaken. JMO.
Possibly, but I guess that brilliantly subversive marketing never worked on me. Because honestly, prior to this thread I never remotely considered that someone might be "confused" between the X Mastershop pistols and the P320 X-5.

Do people really think that the modern, polymer S&W M&P pistols are the same as the original all-metal guns?

Do people think that every "AR" they buy is actually an Armalite Rifle?

Seriously - if you are someone who is so into Sigs that you know what the Mastershop pistols are, then you are clearly never going to confuse them with the P320 X-5. And on the flipside, I bet there are a lot of people buying the P320 X-5 who are barely aware of the extremely limited availability Mastershop pistols which are practically collector's items at this point, and they probably aren't looking for an all-metal hammer gun anyway, if they are choosing the P320 X-5.

I have a really hard time believing anyone would be confused.

As for continuing to use the "X" in an entirely new and different pistol that isn't anything like the predecessor? If anyone is really that spun up about something so trivial, then it might be time to take a deep breath, go for a walk and get a little perspective.

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No we are in the ..."X-Series, Sport, Mastershop Pistols" sub folder. Maybe it would help if the folder were entitled Mastershop -Sport/Precision X5 and X6 which is what many here consider it to actually be.

Our German friends catalog list all X guns p320, x5 and x6 as Precision pistols. Then they list Mastershop - Sport and Prestige pistols which are a different class.

Something a learned when looking for a P226 Mastershop Supermatch X5 or X6 is that all German X5/6 pistols are not made a like.
i hate to break it to you but in 2015, when these info charts + ms photo threads created, there were only real deal, all german x guns.
https://sigtalk.com/x-series-sport-m...al-charts.html
https://sigtalk.com/x-series-sport-m...op-photos.html
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You underestimate the power of suggestive advertising. One only needs to look at the original ad for the M11-A1, and the subsequent confusion of the uninformed buyers, to know how it works. Folks were buying it, thinking they got the M11, then subsequently, their bubble burst. As far as I can remember, that was the very first deceptive gimmicky ad that SIG NH pulled.

Sure, the X-Five deal might be obvious, but still, if you think SIG NH was not riding the coattail of the German Xguns with that BS labeling, you're grossly mistaken. JMO.
That’s the only reason that the X designation was applied to the plastic, poured from a mold, production line guns with their stamped metal internal parts.

Then again; S&W did basically the same thing with their current line of “Performance Center” guns which, like true SIG Mastershop built X Pistols, used to be individually hand built and fitted by finely skilled gunsmiths, but are now simply production line guns with unique “features”.

Like this one:

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Old 08-15-2020, 08:29 PM   #24
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what you say is true but there's an appropriate forum to talk about it.
https://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-p320-x-5-pistols/
Yup, no two ways about it, thatís clearly where discussions regarding those pistols are meant to take place.
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